S2E7 Why is Bigfoot Kidnapping Hikers? with Adriann Barrett

Jennifer Field: [00:00:00] Welcome, welcome, welcome. What up, everyone? Thank you, listeners, for tuning in. This is season two, episode seven of the Unofficial Official Story. I'm Jennifer and I'm so excited we're doing this episode today because I'm a national park aficionado.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:18] Hey, and I'm Dwyane. I'm not a national park aficionado precisely because of stuff like this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:24] And I am Koji and I am a outdoors enthusiast for sure.

Jennifer Field: [00:00:28] This is a podcast where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime, and by the end, we'll tell you what really maybe happened. In this episode, we're asking the question, Why is Bigfoot kidnapping hikers? But first, let's introduce our guest, fellow podcast host, Adriann Barrett. Hey, Adriann, Thanks for coming on.

Adriann Barrett: [00:00:56] Hey, guys.

Jennifer Field: [00:00:57] Adrian was diagnosed late with ADHD. She's a true crime theorist, enjoys dark humor, and is a total nerd about anything. Pokemon and Star Wars. She started her podcast Crime Theories because she noticed that most other crime podcasts were only talking about big cases and none were covering the small cases that no one talks about. And she believes everyone deserves to have their story told.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:21] Tell us about a little bit about your podcast.

Adriann Barrett: [00:01:23] I mean, like you said, it is we're based off of smaller cases and then we also take theories of what could happen at the end of them. So, I mean, if that's, you know, hey, the boyfriend murdered her or a UFO has taken them or whatever. Yeah. Or if a demon demon has decided to possess them and take over their soul. Who knows? We just come up with all these theories on the spot of what could have actually happened to these missing person cases that what not everyone's talking about. I mean, I feel like we go around and around on all these big cases like Gabby Petito and stuff, but these little ones, they don't get heard. I mean, I've recently covered we did five episodes on people that were around Gabby Petito that no one else has even talked about.

Jennifer Field: [00:02:13] Wow.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:13] What got you into true crime?

Adriann Barrett: [00:02:15] Well, what kind of got me into it is, I guess, being a anxiety driven person that has like a fear of just people that, you know, I mean, they say that you meet, like what, at least nine serial killers in your lifetime,

Jennifer Field: [00:02:30] Really. 

Adriann Barrett: [00:02:31] Just by passing them on the street or whatever. So that kind of got me into it. And then the fear of just having this fear for my family and everything. And then I actually have a assistant P.I. license.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:44] Oh, wow.

Adriann Barrett: [00:02:44] And then so just kind of I mean, that evolved into just helping out clients just with random boyfriends, cheating on them and stuff. But then I was like, I want to do something a little bit bigger and deeper into solving these cases.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:00] What's your favorite case in terms of true crime stuff?

Adriann Barrett: [00:03:02] I really like this one, and she's not really talked about a lot. It's Cammy Sheppard. She's actually here locally, but she used to be a sex trafficked herself. And then she came up with this whole awareness about sex trafficking and then all of a sudden she goes missing and then they find her months later in a storm drain.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:23] Oh no.

Adriann Barrett: [00:03:23] About 500 feet from her house. And cops are claiming that she went in there because she was cold.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:28] That's crazy.

Adriann Barrett: [00:03:29] Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. She is 120 pounds. And you want me to believe that this 90 pound storm drain she lifted up and she went in there because she was cold when she was literally 500 feet from her apartment?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:41] That's crazy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:42] What I really like about your show is that you cover a lot of the, like you said, the smaller cases, but in those cases tend to be the vulnerable people that nobody talks about. They tend to be about people of color. I think about Gabby was that a lot of there were women. There were like Native American women who've been taken for years, you know, hundreds and thousands of them, and no one's talking about them or other people of color. Again, vulnerable women, people that work in the sex industry.

Adriann Barrett: [00:04:08] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:08] And children as well, right?

Adriann Barrett: [00:04:10] Well, yeah, children as well.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:11] So my friend Patrice O'Neill, he has this joke about basically, I think it was Natalee Holloway who went missing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:19] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:19] And he talks about how in a joke, you know, they search for white women more. And then the crowd is kind of like not with them, but everyone knows Natalee Holloway's name. And then he says, you know, that guy also killed the girl in Peru. And he goes, what was her name? And then no one can say her name. So it's kind of like he proved his point. So it's great that you're doing that because it's not like people people in general care more or less about this one or that one. It's just that they hear about certain we hear about certain people a lot more than we hear about others.

Adriann Barrett: [00:04:47] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:48] When I was a kid, I got into true crime. When I was a kid in first grade in my hometown of South Pasadena, California, there was a little girl that got kidnapped my age on the way to school. Her name was Phoebe Ho, and I remember it really fascinated me at the time. And the best story this is a funny story about this is that my mom, who's an immigrant, I remember no one was walking to school anymore because there was this child abduction right there driving to school. The school is telling you to drive everyone to school. And I went to my mom and I said, You have to drive me to school. And she said, no, no one wants to kidnap you. And so I had to, like, walk to school. And I remember like, I went from being like, you know, like hundreds of people walking to school with me to, like, zero people walking to school. I remember every time a car would pass, I would, like, hide behind a bush or a tree because I was so scared. And my mom was like and I begged my mom for like days to, like, take me to school. And she's like, absolutely not. Like, she was totally not here. I just remember being like, that fear is really real. And at that time it was The Night Stalker was a big thing that was happening here. So it was all around that same time. I just remember being like, This is super fascinating. And that really got me into kind of the true crime world.

Jennifer Field: [00:05:59] So we're going to give you guys some facts. What is missing 411? According to Wikipedia. Missing 411 is a series of books and films which documents cases of people who have gone missing in national parks and elsewhere and maintain that these cases are unusual and mysterious.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:19] Who is behind missing 411? It's this guy named David Paulides. He's a 20 year police officer for the San Jose Police Department. In addition to his work on missing 411. He has written books about Bigfoot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:30] How did David Paulides get interested in this phenomenon? It all started with an alleged conversation with a Ranger. This excerpt comes from David's book, Missing 411. Western United States and Canada. Unexplained Disappearances of North Americans that have Never been Solved.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:44] That is a super long title, by the way.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:46] I think in terms of SEO, I don't know. It's like no one's going to remember that whole title.

Jennifer Field: [00:06:51] Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:54] But at the same time, like that title, anything you search, that title might come up. So I don't know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:00] Where shall I eat for dinner? Oh, missing 411. I'm sorry.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:04] Right. Exactly. So he says. I sat in my room at the lodge and listened to the ranger tell me about a series of missing people inside our national parks. They stated that the events were very unusual. Many people were never found, and the Park Service was doing everything possible to keep a lid on the publicity surrounding the missing. He explained that non law enforcement employees weren't privy to all the information, but that the upper echelon law enforcement supervisors inside the Park Service were concerned about the numbers and certain facts surrounding specific cases.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:36] Do you guys buy that he had this conversation?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:37] All you need is one source that no one can prove, and then you're off to the races. You know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:44] He's like, don't you think it's weird that there's so many people missing? And he's like, Yeah, there are.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:52] But, you know, the fact that we had Watergate, right? And they had what was the Deep Throat? Our history has these cases of anonymous sources where the information did pan out. So because of that, we kind of have to go, okay, maybe, you know, you can't just write it off because that is the thing, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:10] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:11] But it's interesting for Adriann being a private eye. It seems like you can't just say something like this without, you know, you can only hide your source for so long. Is that right?

Adriann Barrett: [00:08:20] No, not necessarily. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:22] Interesting.

Adriann Barrett: [00:08:23] Yeah. I mean, some things are fully protected under the law. And so if they went ahead and signed an agreement saying I'm giving this information, but it has to be sealed and no one can basically unseal it. Yeah, then it's really hard to get a case like that unsealed like so any statements and anything to become unsealed, it has to go through a whole court order and a judge and everything like that. And it's really hard to get something that is already sealed to be unsealed.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:52] Interesting. Interesting.

Jennifer Field: [00:08:53] What are some of the facts surrounding these missing people? Because the National Park Service doesn't track on a federal level how many people go missing in the national parks. It is left up to researchers like Paulides to determine the number. So we read online that it could be up to 1600 people.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:12] That's a lot of people. You know, the thing about national parks, though, is that it's wilderness. And people like people sometimes just get lost and sometimes people want to get lost. Right. I did search and rescue around here. I was always amazed when you talk to some of these people who get lost and you're like, if the river was on your right side going up the mountain, where would the river be on the way down and they're just like, I never even thought about that. I'm like, Oh my God, You know, like, what do you what are you doing out here? You shouldn't you shouldn't leave your car. You should stay in your car for the rest of your life. So what's so special about these cases? Don't people go missing all the time? So David Paulides went through many of the cases and found an easy explanation for why they went missing. Things like animal attacks, falling, getting lost, etc. After all, the wilderness is a dangerous place. However, there were quite a few cases where the answers weren't so easy. There are stories of people being there one second and then turning corner or being gone or tracking Dogs who were unable to pick up a scent or unwilling to or body suddenly being found where searchers have already gone over multiple times, experienced hikers and hunters getting terribly lost. So the interesting thing about this is that he went through all these missing people and he said a lot of these are, you know, you could find an explanation for and then there's a bunch of them that kind of defied explanation.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:22] Yeah. And I appreciate him going through it because, you know, Adriann, you do unsolved crimes and stuff. Like whenever I listen to Dateline, I get enraged sometimes at the what appears to be injustice one way or the other. But then it's like, what am I going to do? Am I going to research this thing and am I going to research every case? So to people who say, you know what, I'm going to take care of this thing and I'm going to research it, you I think you have to appreciate them because you can you can double research it. But if you trust them and they've done the research already, that's a big help. No one person can do it all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:54] Although a lot of the true-crime folks are kind of crazy. I mean, Adriann probably knows this. They, like, start to. bother people they suspect are the criminals.

Adriann Barrett: [00:11:00] Oh, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:01] And they start to go on their Facebook and Instagram and they just start like saying crazy shit without even knowing all the facts or without even knowing anything. They just bothered and they bother the families.

Adriann Barrett: [00:11:10] Yeah, they they totally, like, go nutso. I'm working on this case right now and it's kind of been in the making because it just happened like last month. So I've just been kind of keeping track of it and kind of posting it as I am and if everyone's like, Oh wait, nope, that's got to be the husband. The husband did it. I'm like, What proof do you have? Like, you have nothing. No proof that he did anything. It's just a weird case to begin with. But I personally don't think after, like, doing everything, all the research and everything, I'm like, I don't think it's him. I do not think that he had anything to do with this at all. But everyone is all attacking him. And I also try to Reach out to the family members and ask what their opinions are and like, what do they think happened? And just on a not a you did it type of thing, I'm like, I want to know to who this person actually was, not what the media is just saying they are. Because to the media, a lot of times they're just a body that just happened, you know, that they found.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:11] Or it's that I mean, every time you watch Dateline or any of those shows, it's always like this guy was the greatest guy. He was a great father. He was like really wonderful and he coached football or something. You know, it's always like like I was like, but not every guy who gets murdered or every woman that gets murdered is an awesome person. I mean, they could have had awesome things going on, but like, they could have been assholes. And that's I mean, they it still doesn't mean they should get murdered. Right?

Adriann Barrett: [00:12:34] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:35] But it's just it's always interesting because it's like all those stories, they have to paint them in a nice way or else they're like, I don't care that they got murdered. Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:42] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:42] I think that's why I like the people like Gabby. You know, she looked innocent. She looked like somebody that that we knew. Right. And that's why people gravitate to I mean, also being a Caucasian woman helps, too. But it's like that's part of that's why we don't people don't care about sex workers, right? Because they're like, oh, those are those are different kinds of people.

Adriann Barrett: [00:12:59] They don't see them as people. They see them as objects.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:02] Yeah, exactly. And so they're like, well, whatever happened to them happened to them because they kind of deserved it, is what they say.

Adriann Barrett: [00:13:07] That's another thing. I'm like with Gabby's case and it's a terrible I mean, a lot of people come at me for this. I don't think Brian did it.

Jennifer Field: [00:13:15] What? No.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:17] What. 

Jennifer Field: [00:13:17] Really. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:18] Did he admit to it in his diary? I don't know, though. I mean, I haven't followed case a lot.

Adriann Barrett: [00:13:22] Apparently, in the note where they found him, he apparently wrote a confession, but his parents are the ones that found him and found the note. When they claim that police already searched the area and didn't find anything previously.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:39] So who Did it?

Adriann Barrett: [00:13:39] I think that it might have been his parents, but I don't think that it was him. Like a lot of The stuff going on, I was like, okay, that doesn't seem like that. Or it's either like his parents or that killed actually her is possibly even a serial killer that's out there. Because like I said, I've done all these other cases, too, that are around Gabby around that time. Some of them are up in that area. And there is six people around that area around that time that no one talks about that have all gone missing. And some have been found and some have not. Around the same exact time

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:11] We should say it was Bigfoot. It was big.

Adriann Barrett: [00:14:15] Yes, Bigfoot, Bigfoot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:21] But I was going to ask Adrian about one phenomenon when I'm watching True Crime, Sometimes false confessions are a thing. Sometimes cops do the same thing and lock in on a person. And the most intriguing phenomena that I see is where the cops think someone did it. And then DNA proves that they didn't. There's something like 100% proves this person didn't do it. But then the family members of the victim, they refuse to let go and they still think the person did it. That blows my mind. And I don't know. That's the thing you witness a lot. But it just and I don't know if it's like blind trust in the police or what would cause you to like in the face of irrefutable evidence. Still think that person did it. You know, I mean,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:03] I think for the family, I think a lot of times are just they're hurt and they're looking for explanation. And then the police have often offered them an explanation and they they completely bought into it and so they can't see. 

Adriann Barrett: [00:15:15] Anything else.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:16] Yeah, anything else. And it's just because then if you take that away from them, then they're back to like not having any answers. And that's worse,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:22] Right? Yeah. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:23] Like you rather believe the lie than the truth.

Jennifer Field: [00:15:26] David Paulides believes what connects these cases other than them being missing is time, place and circumstance. So, for example, people seem to go missing near water, either picking berries or eating them bad weather when like the people begin searching for the missing people. And the fact that they this seems to like happen in clusters, so more than one in an area. And then there is the famous case of Keith Perkins. So we'll read an excerpt from an article on Top Tens A Link which can be found on our show notes. In 1952, a two year old boy named Keith Perkins went missing from his home in Ritter, Oregon, in the middle of winter. He'd been playing outside with his jacket on, but he was far from equipped to spend the night outside alone. His family and a local search party looked for him immediately. They could only follow his tiny footprints up to a point before they completely stop. There were no other animal or adult tracks nearby. 19 hours later, they found Keith. He was about 15 miles away, and he had taken his jacket off. This is a two year old guys and was laying face down in the snow on a frozen pond. Keith was alive and when they asked him why he had run away and how he survived, he said he didn't remember. Oh. A little toddler.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:48] First of all, this two year old. He could put sentences together and he could walk. Really? My two year old, he could barely walk at two years old and he could only see like five words at a time, I think.

Jennifer Field: [00:16:58] So the story is like, is it exaggerated or.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:02] This is definitely a real case of something that happened. I mean,

Jennifer Field: [00:17:05] It's so bizarre.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:06] And the idea that he, a two year old would be 15 miles away without footprints or anything.

Jennifer Field: [00:17:11] Yeah, this was a weird case at first. I was like, maybe that maybe because it was a while ago, like, part of it was like, exaggerated. But if you're saying that those little factoids are, like, legit.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:20] I mean, there's there's newspaper articles about what happened. These things did I mean, this is like, scariest thing for us. Three of us are parents. And so, you know, like having, like a little kid and hiking. I mean, I know that when I when I hike with my little one, when he was that age, you know, I would never have been out of my sight because I knew I always wanted to have him around me. But this is like the worst nightmare I could imagine. Although he was found healthy. So what? What do we know?

Jennifer Field: [00:17:44] It's so Weird.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:45] Thank God. Yes. Let's examine another famous missing 411 case. This excerpt can also be found in the same Top Tens article. In February 2018. A Canadian man named Danny Filippidis, which I think is the guy who ran the first marathon as well, was on a ski trip with his friends in New York. It was around 2 p.m. and they had been skiing for hours. They were getting ready to go into the lodge and Danny said that he wanted to go on one more run down the mountain before their their lunch break. By 4:00 pm, Danny was failing to return any calls or texts, and the friends were concerned. They began searching for him and after being unable to find them, they told the employees at the Lodge that he was missing. A team of 130 people scoured the mountain without finding.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:29] And then six days later, his wife received a phone call. She didn't recognize the number and it sounded far away and staticky. It was Danny's voice. He was incoherent and confused and then hung up on the phone. She called the number back and pleaded with him to call 911 for help. So he did. He had no idea where he was, and he just described his surroundings. When the paramedics finally found him, he was still wearing all of his ski gear and in need of medical assistance. He was holding a brand new iPhone and someone had cut his hair.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:55] Somehow. He ended up in Sacramento, California, at the airport terminal car rental depot. He was 3000 miles away from where he disappeared. He couldn't remember how he got there and he had no idea what day it was when he learned where he was and how long people had been looking for him. He got very overwhelmed and emotional. The leading theory is that he was kidnapped in the back of a big rig truck, but no proof of this has ever surfaced.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:18] This is a freaky story. But, you know, there's other stories about people going missing and then they like just what they like. If you talk and then they get found later and then they talk to these people and they say, well, where were you? And they just said, I was walking the whole time. Like they were just walking and walking and walking and walking. And then they're never found. And until later. And then like a week later, they're found and they're okay. So it's really interesting. I don't know. What do you guys think about that case?

Adriann Barrett: [00:19:43] That's crazy. I mean, that that's.

Adriann Barrett: [00:19:47] Just like, well, for one, it's it's crazy for me that people are actually found because most of the time mine are still missing. But yeah, and the fact that he had a haircut, did he do that himself? I mean, someone else do that for him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:05] Did he need any berries?

Adriann Barrett: [00:20:06] That's the real question.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:09] There are other cases where these people go missing. No one finds them in like two years later, they find the body in the place that people were searching. They're like all over that place. And they're like, well, why couldn't they have found they should have found the body if it was truly there, you know?

Adriann Barrett: [00:20:22] Oh, yeah, there was this like bow hunter that just like, went missing. They were he was actually hunting with a few of his friends and they decided they were going to go their separate ways just to go and hunt deer. But they all had trackers like GPS trackers and everything like that. And then it was weird. They found a GPS tracker and his shoes somewhere and then clear across where he was supposed to be. They found his his bow and a backpack. And then not four, two years later. Then they found his body around the same area.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:57] I don't know if I if shared this on this podcast, but I did one month backpacking course where we hiked for like a month and one of the days was in the North Cascades in Washington State. And one of the days we were in a blizzard. And I remember I got out of a tent to go pee. And then I was like, you know, like I must I was like two feet from my tent. Like, I just, like, walked out cause I'm a boy. I could stand up and just pee, right? I just didn't want to get the pee on the tent. So I just walked a little bit, and then I turned around. I had no idea where I was, and I was super not prepared because obviously I just went to pee and I started walking, which is obviously the wrong thing you're supposed to do. But I'm an experienced hiker and backpacker and I was and I started walking and walking. Walk is like, fuck, fuck, I don't have any of my equipment. If I had my equipment, I'd be I could survive. I'm fine. I just haven't. I had nothing. I had no jacket, I had no gear. And I was freaking out and we were on a mountain, too. And I remember thinking like, Fuck, I'm going to get screwed, because no one's going to hear me because it's windy. We're on top of the mountain. And then I remember I walk by something. I walk by this log that we had sat on that night and I was like, Oh my God, I'm on the other side of camp. And once I saw that log, I figured out where I was. But I remember thinking like, even an experienced hiker, this is like month. Like, you know, this was like at the end of like three weeks in, like, I've been camping a lot off trail. And I remember being like, Wow, I never really understood how people got lost. But that was like the first time it was so bad. And I always wonder if if maybe I was in the missing 411 at that moment. Maybe maybe I was in a parallel universe, or something.

Jennifer Field: [00:22:23] I'm like, Why did you just turn around and you suddenly didn't know where you were? Like, How many steps did you take?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:29] I wasn't that far. Yeah, no, that was weird. I was totally turned around. I was like, going the opposite drive. I was on the other side of camp. I was in the opposite direction. I was going actually the opposite direction. I kind of walked off a mountain.

Adriann Barrett: [00:22:38] I was just to say, I guess the real question is, though, is where are you picking berries?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:42] I was definitely picking berries. I actually that whole trip. That is funny. The whole trip there was blueberries, wild blueberries and wild berries. And we were eating it the whole time in our bread that we were making. One thing I'll share, one more thing I'll share about that. That trip was that during that same blizzard, it was so terrible and so cold. I actually wanted to be abducted by aliens. I remember thinking, Oh man, it would be awesome if I could be abducted by aliens right now, because then I would be warmer than I am currently. Warm because it was so cold. It was so cold and miserable.

Jennifer Field: [00:23:13] So what are some of the theories of what's going on here? Right. So David Paulides does not share his own theories about what happened, but that doesn't keep others from sharing what they think is happening. So here are some of the other theories. Bigfoot,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:28] Of course.

Jennifer Field: [00:23:28] Aliens

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:30] obviously.

Jennifer Field: [00:23:32] Inter-dimensional wormholes, a clan of cannibals living in the wilderness.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:38] The probably Best one.

Jennifer Field: [00:23:39] And and mountain lions or bears.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:43] So what do we think is really happening out there in the North American national parks?

Jennifer Field: [00:23:46] Yeah, those are the facts. So when we return, we're going to put our minds together. We're going to figure out what really maybe happened here. Now that we've discussed the facts, let's give our theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:58] My theory is that I'm going for the interdimensional wormholes because I just I think.

Jennifer Field: [00:24:04] Oh, you are?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:04] Because I think that that's like the most interesting one to me, that there's, like, this there's this place that they go that's kind of like it looks like our world. And this is not as fun as normal that I normally come up with for this podcast, but this is what I actually believe is happening. There are wormholes and they kind of like they looks like us, but it's kind of like a loop that you just kind of keep walking and walking and walking and they, they kind of get stuck in it and then they don't know what to do and they just keep kind of walking. So there's all these places in the national parks where kind of these energies are happening.

Adriann Barrett: [00:24:36] Like a second dimension.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:37] Yeah, like a, like a, like a different dimension. And that's kind of maybe that's where Bigfoot comes from, I don't know. But it's definitely where it's definitely where all these people are finding know. And I think that the key for people who are stuck in these wormholes is that they need to find their way out of it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:52] Here's what I think is happening, and this is a bit of a cop out, but I think that basically there is a Bigfoot, right? And Bigfoot does, you know, occasionally have to mess somebody up. It's not his. It's not his jam, though. And I think also there are aliens and I also think they're serial killers. So I think basically the national park, it's this Venn diagram of, like, everything you need, right? Because there are less satellite towers, there are less cell phone towers. So if you want to do something bad, you do it at a national park.

Adriann Barrett: [00:25:27] I was going to say not only that, though, that there is actually at the Yellowstone National Park, there is a spot that you can essentially get away with murder. Because it is In the four different states. And like no one really has jurisdiction over it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:41] Right. So you got that. And before it was legal people, you know, people would grow weed in national parks because no one knew where the weed was. And you could if you if you left some breadcrumbs, you could go back, grow the weed, come back, get the weed, sell it.

Jennifer Field: [00:25:55] Wow.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:56] In between, you're like, Hey, it's just growing in a national park. I didn't. You know what I mean? And I think Bigfoot is, like, actually hurt. You know, the old commercial with the Native American and people are dumping trash, and this one tear goes down his eye. I think that's Bigfoot. Now, Bigfoot is crying because he's getting blamed for all this stuff. And it's a combination of aliens, serial killers, things of that nature. And it's like, that's why we probably should be super careful going to national parks, because it's. It's like, even though it's beautiful, it's just the same as walking through the hood with a bunch of money and a bunch of gold chains. You know what I mean? It's the same thing.

Jennifer Field: [00:26:36] You put that analogy together.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:38] Okay, so you're saying people blame Bigfoot, but it's not Bigfoot. It's really a combination of aliens and serial killers.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:46] You know, Bigfoot is like a bear. Like, if he kills you, it's not on purpose. You know, He might only kill you if you're trying to kill him, but.

Adriann Barrett: [00:26:54] He's just defending himself.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:55] Exactly. Exactly. Adrian. Right? Like if you wanted to do something and get away with it. National Park, even aliens. Because they know if they want to study us, they want to probe us. It's like, you know what? We'll get a straggler in a national park, just like a lion, right? A lion gets. He gets the one gazelle that's kind of hanging out by himself, you know? So everyone in the national park and Koji, they almost got you right? The aliens almost got you because,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:22] Yeah, they almost got me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:24] They. They did that to your senses. They zigzagged you. And luckily, you, you know, I mean, another three steps. We're not even here right now. Oh, we're here.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:32] Yeah

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:33] but you've been probed. Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:34] Just another Asian guy right here. Yeah. No. Yeah, exactly.

Jennifer Field: [00:27:38] Was your prayer to the for the aliens to abduct you before that incident on your backpacking trip?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:43] That's a Good question. Actually, it probably was before, actually. So maybe they were trying to abduct me. I just didn't know it. Yeah, that's. That's pretty funny.

Jennifer Field: [00:27:53] Okay, so my theory is that not everything can be explained by science. So I'm, you know, I was raised like my dad's an agnostic skeptic, you know, brainiac. So I was raised like, it's all about science, and science explains everything. And there's no such thing is like prayer and, you know, the God and things like that. So but I believe that there just are there's an aspect where we don't know how to explain it. And I think the most closest thing it would be considered is the inter-dimensional wormhole thing that Koji was theorizing. So I just feel like there's it's, it's vague, but there's like another dimension or there's something else here, you know, matrix, whatever we want to call it that we don't quite know. And it's because it's like outside of, like science and logic and numbers and math. And so it's probably closer to the quantum physics realm and something in that in that arena of things. But that's what I just think is that there's something. That can happen in moments that we just don't know how to explain. Like the two stories, the Keith Perkins child and then the Danny Filippidis the skiing, the ski trip guy that got the haircut. Like these lapses in time. And it's not so much like a straight explanation that it's Bigfoot or aliens or a serial killer or like a psychotic break and they're just not remembering things, Right? I think it's just that there's something else we have yet to tap into.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:25] I like that. I like that. To quote the Beastie Boys. Another dimension. Another dimension. Exactly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:32] All right, Adrian, what's your theory?

Adriann Barrett: [00:29:35] I don't know if I believe this one for sure, but it was. It's something that I found. I was thinking that was interesting, because I've heard of stuff like this. What about the portal to hell? And then some people find their way back.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:48] Oh, my Lord.

Jennifer Field: [00:29:49] Oh, to hell?

Adriann Barrett: [00:29:51] To hell, yes. So some people believe that there are portals to hell in certain aspects, especially like in water. So, like, if you just have a pond or something, sometimes they're actually portals to hell. Or it will be like a cave or a or I mean, there's a whole tree because it has a big a hole in it that some people think that that's a portal to hell, that if you go in there, people just don't come out. And that some people claim that they go there and then they come back out and claim that they have been in the portal of hell. Some people claim that they don't remember and bits and pieces are missing from their memory. But some people actually do think that a lot of places in national parks have portals to hell. I personally I'm like, I don't know if I believe that one, but it's an interesting one.

Jennifer Field: [00:30:44] Maybe the the boundaries of these national park lines are partly. Yes. Created because they know about these portals to hell. It's not just that they're beautiful, rare.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:55] It's a very, very strange things kind of thing. Yeah. And what I like about that theory, too, is that if Satan wanted you to sort of like, put your guard down, say, say, like these holes in trees, for instance. Right. And they're like, they can be portals. So what does Satan do? He produces the Keebler Elf to make everyone like trees. You know what I mean? You think you think you're going to get cookies if you're near a tree, but you're going to get abducted is what's really going to happen.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:23] Also, a lot of the stories, if you talk to or like from the children and stuff who go missing, they'll say things like, I followed a bear or I followed an animal. And then and they went in and then they get lost and then something happens. Because you don't like to think about these cases. That's interesting is that they're never like some dude who's never been off his couch walking, goes to the national park, goes missing. It's usually like an experienced hiker or it's a it's a it's a hunter. I mean, sometimes they're children, too. But a lot of times are these experience people like your story about hunters. It's like these are people that are comfortable being in the wilderness. They're not people that are uncomfortable in the wilderness. And so, you know, maybe maybe it is something path to hell. But like, is the hell just to be clear, is the hell like a bad place or is it like a super fun place that you would have like a lot of fun as opposed to heaven, which could be like, kind of boring?

Adriann Barrett: [00:32:10] I don't know. You know what? You're absolutely Right. I mean, my heaven is going to be something that's totally different than my mom's. I mean, I mean, I grew up with an LDS family, so my heavens, totally different than hers. Maybe my heaven is her hell. So there we go. Which I'll be okay with. I will be okay. But actually, I think that's a portal to hell. I think there's one in California.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:36] I think it's the Starbucks on La Brea.... La Brea and Sunset. Have you been in that Starbucks?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:44] That's a terrible.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:45] It gets crazy. Terrible. It's yeah. I've seen a guy walk in and throw a iced coffee. Just throw it. Just flinging it across for no reason. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:52] Where we're. So where does this hell in California?

Adriann Barrett: [00:32:54] Out of the hell in California. California lake. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. That does look like. That is weird. Can I share a link with you guys in here?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:03] Oh, no. Is that real? It's a Napa. Napa County. It's a glory hole. That's funny. It's a glory hole.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:11] But, you know, it's one of these things where, especially when we started to make cities and clear the land, you know, there may be some areas that are just so pretty, so serene that either like Earth, God Satan, whoever was like, you know what, you guys stay out of this. And so when people go especially you said it's experienced people, it's because people it's like, you know what, I'll let you visit once or twice Now you take an advantage.

Jennifer Field: [00:33:39] We're at the point in the show where we need to pick the unofficial official story, one that will once and for all answer this question What do you guys think? Which theory do we want to go with?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:48] I'm going to vote for the hell one, because I think that surprised me. I didn't think about the portal to hell.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:54] You know what? I kind of the portal to hell one scares me, you know? But I got to vote for that one, too, because maybe people will stop asking me to go hiking.

Adriann Barrett: [00:34:04] I don't go hiking because people go missing when you go hiking. Staying alive by not going hiking. How many missing people go hiking?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:15] Well, 1600 people go missing.

Adriann Barrett: [00:34:17] In the national Park.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:17] Hiking is just walking like no one goes missing walking on Colorado Boulevard. Past the gap. You know what I mean? So we can walk anyway. Why do we have to drive where no one is to walk. And I get it. You're going to see a waterfall. I get it. But they have waterfalls at Six Flags as well.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:37] Six Flags?

Jennifer Field: [00:34:38] Oh, my God, That's too Funny. That's funny.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:42] Jennifer, which one do you think?

Jennifer Field: [00:34:44] I, I like the Multi-disciplinary approach that Dwayne had, which is that it's a couple of different factors because that makes sense. Because it's not just that there's just to me, I'm just thinking logically, it's not just one explanation for the 1600 people that are missing on federal lands. It's a combo of things. Could be a little serial killer here and there. As Adriann said, what we encounter cross paths with seven,

Adriann Barrett: [00:35:08] Nine,

Jennifer Field: [00:35:09] Nine in our lifetime. So lots of crazies, people, crazies, crazy people out there, potentially aliens, maybe Bigfoot. We know that there is a Bigfoot. We don't know if he's responsible, but he's around. So I just think it's like a lot of. I think that's what it is. And that's there's not just one explanation.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:26] Adrian, do you want to go with your theory or do you want to go with one of the others.

Adriann Barrett: [00:35:28] No, I like the dimension. One, two.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:31] Oh, no.

Jennifer Field: [00:35:33] Wait, Koji' s Koji's. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:36] Well one of ours

Jennifer Field: [00:35:36] Or Jennifer's, which is similar, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:38] Yeah.

Adriann Barrett: [00:35:38] No, I like I like the inner dimension. And especially with a lot of these people actually coming back, the ones that you guys were talking about, the fact that they're actually coming back and not just missing and the fact that, you know, they don't know exactly what happened. They can't really I mean, that could be like a gap in time, something with our minds in that other universe portal or whatever. Yeah, I like the other dimension. That's what it is. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:05] It's almost like the hell thing. We're just sort of like,

Adriann Barrett: [00:36:07] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:07] Naming the dimension in a sense. Yeah, right. And and hell went still went.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:11] Yeah. That's right. We have two.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:13] It's two in one. One.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:14] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:15] So, but also you think about Bermuda Triangle, you know there's a lot of places anyway.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:19] Have we ever talked about there's an Asian Bermuda Triangle which is it's not the exact opposite side of the planet for the Bermuda Triangle.

Adriann Barrett: [00:36:25] No.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:26] Is it. Is it the library? I'm just.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:28] Oh no. But yeah, that's like a it's like a real thing allegedly we'll, we'll probably talk about it at some point in the future when we run out of ideas. And we're like, what's a terrible idea? The Asian Bermuda Triangle.

Jennifer Field: [00:36:42] So our guests theory Adriann Barrett's theory one. So there is a portal to hell in every national park and in these places. And that's what's happening to these people. And they sometimes they go in and never come out. Sometimes they do come back out, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:58] Yes.

Jennifer Field: [00:36:58] The idea here. So that's the official story. We're going to take another break. And when we come back, we'll give our best advice on how to survive being lost in the woods. Missing 411 one is all about being lost in the national parks. I'm not sure if any of you ever been lost. Koji mentioned a little story earlier, but what's your best advice on how to not get lost? Or what would you do if you found yourself lost in the woods?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:24] Because now that we've figured out the truth about being lost and going to hell, I think I would love to get lost. Go to hell, come back. I mean, talk about gangster rap credibility. You know, like to say like you went to hell and came back. That's better than being shot.

Jennifer Field: [00:37:38] And that is some good street cred.

Adriann Barrett: [00:37:39] Well, yeah, but who's going to really believe you?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:42] Well, I'll take video of it. Obviously. I'll be like, I've got to hell. You've been shot eight times. I've been to hell. I came out and I came back. That's how gangster I am. No, but but in terms of real advice, like, in terms of like not getting lost, I mean, the best and the most tried thing to do is always trying to stay where you are, because the more you walk around, the worse it gets. However, also with that being said, I did not follow my own advice. I always feel like you start getting in trouble when you think you can find your own way out. And I know a lot of people always have these things you always hear about in stories like my dad told me, always go hill well, or follow the river or do this or do that. And that's not actually usually the right thing to do, because just because you're going down hill doesn't mean you're going to a place you could get out of, right? Because what ends up happening a lot of times is that you keep going downhill and you start climbing down and you don't realize it's easier to climb down than climb up. And so you start getting to places that you can't get out of. And once you can't get out of it, you're stuck forever. And so it's best to stay where you are and wait for somebody because eventually someone hopefully will find you or also just never go off. Like if you can't read a topographic map, you shouldn't go off. You shouldn't go off trail anyway. One more advice. Sorry. This last piece of advice. One thing that people don't do on trails enough is you're supposed you should turn around and look what it looks like on the way back. People get lost because when they're walking one way, they're only looking this way and they only see the world from this way. But they don't see it going that way. So when they start going head home, they don't think it's the right way because it doesn't look the same. And so what you're supposed to do is every once in a while you turn around, look and look at what it looks like going the other way, and then you get a sense of it.

Jennifer Field: [00:39:20] That's terrific. I love that. I got to start doing that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:23] You can do that in a city. In a city, too.

Jennifer Field: [00:39:25] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:30] I didn't that gap was there. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:32] Dwayne Dwayne What's your advice?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:34] Well, two things. One, you can do that in the city too. Not that I don't condone creepiness, but if you wanted to, if a pretty woman passes you by and you happen to look turn around as she passed you by, you could always be like, I'm trying not to get lost. You know what I mean? Not looking at your butt I'm trying not to get lost over here. But but in all seriousness, if we're saying we believe in the hell portal thing, I think one thing is, whatever your God is, make sure you have something there, some kind of trinket. You know what I mean? If it's a cross, if it's a Buddha, whatever, you know, it's like a vampire. Who's he going to bite the guy with a little bit of garlic in his pocket or the guy with no garlic? You know what I mean? So just have a little bit just just a little extra. So that way, if it's a choice between you and another hiker, it's like, I don't want to deal with this guy. He's got to cross. He's all prayed up, going to go get this other guy, right?

Adriann Barrett: [00:40:30] I don't know. Maybe he you know, because he's got a big ol feud with God. So maybe he's going to attack.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:36] Oh Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:36] Oh, that is a good point. That is a really good point. Yeah. Well, my second thing would cover that, and that is always be with someone else. Like when people split up in horror movies, I'm like, Nope, you know, it's like, okay, let's split up. Nope. That's not that's what we're not going to do. We're not going to split up. So, yeah, I think don't split up. And thirdly, wherever you go, cities or whatever, sometimes on the way back, not only do you not recognize it, but you start thinking you really understand where you're going. So you're like, I think we can go that way. Just go with the exact way you came. Just reverse it. No shortcuts. Go the exact way you went. That's that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:12] Jennifer, what's your what's your advice or what would you do if you were lost?

Jennifer Field: [00:41:16] You know, my gut instinct when I when I think of this question is, yeah, just the tribe thing. You just never want to be alone. But then I know when I'm out on a trail or when you're with friends and you're in outdoors where there's no reception and there's no facilities and things like that, it's you're not like, stuck at the hip the whole time. So it's like you might want to go take a picture on that little ledge or you might want to run up ahead on the trail a little more. So I know it's it's my advice is just never do anything alone. I would never go on a hike by myself. That's what I mean. So personally, you know, so I would always go with someone. But then there's those moments. So, I mean, that's my advice, just to always have a buddy buddy system. But even still, that's not fail proof.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:59] Although I will say if you do hike by yourself, you just had to create a plan and stick to the plan. I mean, the biggest mistake people make is that they'll tell like, I'll be like, Dwayne, I'm going to go on this one trail. And then like, you get there, you're like, Fuck this, I'm going to go somewhere else. And then like 50 feet from the trail that you were at and no one's going to find you. Because. 

Jennifer Field: [00:42:14] You didn't tell Anyone.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:15] Well, you're not where you said you were. So they're going to spend all the time looking exactly where you said you were. And now and you're 50 feet over. They're not going to find you basically ever. Adriann What's your advice?

Adriann Barrett: [00:42:24] Be pre prepared. So I actually have because I'm a little crazy. I have a DNA kit that's actually in my freezer in case I go missing. I have it in case I go missing folder that has like all my passwords to everything, giving people permission to go through my phone like the police and everything because they have to get a warrant for that. My second thing is I make and I always make my husband. I made them by one of those GPS trackers. And so every time he so he can text me from it. And then when he doesn't have service, though, every like 15 minutes, it sends me a pin of his location. So when he's going hunting, I make him take that with him, and then it sends me a ping every 15 minutes. So I know where he's at in case of an emergency.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:16] A portal to Hell

Adriann Barrett: [00:43:18] yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That way I can track the portal to hell.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:21] Does he wear it all the time.

Adriann Barrett: [00:43:23] Yeah. 24 seven.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:24] You can find him in the upside down and the upside down world.

Adriann Barrett: [00:43:27] I can find him in the upside down.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:29] And we're forgetting one thing, which also the advice that we should have gave. But it should be apparent. Don't eat berries spring for some grapes.

Jennifer Field: [00:43:44] Thank you, Adrian, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you, where we can listen to your podcast.

Adriann Barrett: [00:43:51] Yeah. So with our. You can get it anywhere that you can get your podcast. It's crime theories and we are also on TikTok and Instagram and Facebook, and I just recently started re uploading the stuff on YouTube so you guys can all check us out there.

Jennifer Field: [00:44:11] And thank you all so much for listening. There are more than 2 million podcasts out there, so we're so honored you've chosen ours to listen to. Thank you for tuning in for letting people know. To to review and rate and check out our website. Unofficial official storico for our show notes and also to hear past episodes. Be sure to come back next month because we're going to find out the answer to the question. Is President Biden a robot?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:41] Yes, this is. This is the this is the episode I've been waiting for this whole time.

Adriann Barrett: [00:44:48] Is he a robot? Oh, God. And I mean, he's got to be a robot and Avril Lavigne is a clone.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:01] Right. Right.

Adriann Barrett: [00:45:02] People are crazy. Oh, my gosh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:08] All right, guys, Thank you for everything. Thank you, everybody. Bye.