S3 Special Episode Aliens are real but does anyone care

Congresswoman Nancy Nace: [00:00:06] Do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials?

David Grusch: [00:00:12] Something I can't discuss in public setting.

Congresswoman Nancy Nace: [00:00:16] Okay. I can't ask when you think this occurred. If you believe we have crashed, Kraft stated earlier. Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

David Grusch: [00:00:26] As I've stated publicly already in my Newsnation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah.

Congresswoman Nancy Nace: [00:00:33] Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

David Grusch: [00:00:36] Non-human. And that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

Congressperson: [00:00:42] So do you Have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

David Grusch: [00:00:50] Yes. Personally.

Congressperson: [00:00:52] If you heard anyone been murdered that you know of or have heard of, I guess. 

David Grusch: [00:00:57] I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:02] Welcome to the the emergency pod.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:05] Unscripted.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:06] Unscripted. Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:07] Right. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:09] And I'm Koji.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:10] I'm Kat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:11] And I'm Dwayne. And I'm happy to be here. This is like this pivotal moment that no one cares about.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:16] So we were just watching the tick tock. Tick, tick, tock, tick, tock, tock, tick tock. Yeah. Video. And I remember that happened whenever it happened. And I was listening to all these podcasts and it was such a big deal to me and all the podcasts I listened to, but to nobody else, it was a big deal. And I just felt like, Well, I guess it's not a big deal then.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:36] For some reason everybody seems to dismiss the alien stuff. They're always like, Yeah, whatever. It's probably like China making stuff.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:44] I think it's it's like a boy who cried wolf in reverse because like, if you deny something so many times and then you stop denying it, then it's kind of like, why now? You know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:54] Yeah. We're also responding to the congressional testimony that was that was happening as well. But to your point, Dwayne, there is a conspiracy about how the United States government created a lot of stories about aliens to get us used to the idea of aliens. And I think in the last episode, I actually don't think it's come out yet. But I talked about how one of the conspiracy theories is that Stalin saw how we reacted to the War of the Worlds. We freaked out, and he thought that maybe he should do that to us by sending over mentally challenged kids in a balloon weather balloon into Roswell, New Mexico. And it did freak us out. So, you know, maybe maybe it worked.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:28] That's an interesting Theory.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:30] It really is. It also comes so many things at play here. When War of the Worlds happened, maybe maybe there were three television stations. You know, I think we already had a thousand or TV stations, maybe even ten years ago. Right? Maybe 20 years ago. Now we have that plus the Internet. I just think everyone's on a different channel and it's hard to get us all on the same wavelength about anything.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:53] Yeah, there's too much noise. Everybody's on TikTok. They're watching all kinds of content about trauma, the latest dance craze. They're watching stuff about how to do your makeup, like how to do, I don't know, making a burrito like literally anything and everything all of the time. It's like that Bo Burnham song, anything and everything all of the time. That one, it's like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:16] So do you guys think that aliens are real now?

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:18] I do.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:18] I do. But I think there's a caveat for me, though, You know what I mean? They're real. Because if anyone who comes here is more advanced than us, right? And less like a ship crashed or something. I think they're real, but we don't have this sort of like, you know how like, unfortunately, when a famous comedian dies and then like everyone posts pictures with this with these people, right? Like they all knew them and some of them knew them, but some of them you just took one picture with the guy. He said hi to you and that was it, right? I think that's our relationship with the aliens. Like they met us. They're cool. That's that planet Well, out there, you know what I mean? And so this sort of like, we're acting like we're in control or we have some of their bodies and it's almost like we're overstating the friendship or the if it's not a friendship, whatever it is, we're overstating it because we're like a blip to them. You know, we're like like I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about it. It's kind of like how we would look at a worm or something or even even like a dolphin. It's like, Oh, dolphins are pretty smart, you know, Like, we don't think we're like we think, oh, they're pretty clever, right? Look at them, Look at them bouncing that ball. And that's what they think about us. We're like a dolphin to them. We're like a dolphin.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:27] Just observing us. They're probably just keeping tabs. It's just researchers coming in to, like, put some tags in. That's probably what they're doing when they abduct people. It's just research tags.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:36] This whole planet is SeaWorld. You know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:38] Hopefully better than the killer whales exhibit, but.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:41] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:42] But actually, so one of the conspiracies around aliens has always been because as a government, we couldn't say we can't defend our airspace, we can't keep them from taking people or doing whatever they want, that it's in their best interest, not to say anything because basically they're saying like, these guys could come in and take you and we can't do anything about it. But now I wonder, has that changed?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:00] I think so.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:01] And that now we can do something about it. We have the technology to maybe not stop it, but actually.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:06] So now they're willing to say something because we have some control.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:09] We can control it in a way.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:11] I like that. That's interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:12] I think we can't control it still, but they're willing to share the information.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:17] Now, I was just going to say, I wonder if it has a lot to do with the technology because they said that there's been crash ships, there's been biologics, there's been all these different things. And I wonder how much of that has been some of the technology that we've had or haven't seen yet.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:29] But why would it all be in the US too? Like they only land here?

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:32] No,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:33] No, They're everywhere.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:33] They're global. Like there's tons of UFO sightings across like Latin America.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:37] But in terms of like we have their technology.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:39] No, I think there's always been conspiracies about other countries having like China and Soviet Union back in the Soviet Union days.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:45] Yes. And you know what? This is not my theory, but, you know, the whole Asians are aliens thing. That you introduced me to that concept and it's a real thing that's out there. And then whenever there's UFO, it's like, Oh, it's UFO or whatever they call them now. UA 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:00] UAP.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:00] UAP. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:00] And it's like, No, it's just a Chinese spy plane or something. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:03] Balloon.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:04] But maybe it's the Asian aliens coming back. You know what I mean? Whoever birthed the Asian population, maybe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:12] Maybe they're coming back. Or what if they birthed the whole population in general?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:15] Yeah, it could be. It could be.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:17] Interesting. I don't think that that the US government is now letting us know. I think they've lost control. I think I think they if they could, they would have kept it secret.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:27] I like that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:27] So I don't know that they suddenly have a technology they didn't have before. I think it's they got to a point because that's my thing with with conspiracy theories. I doubt a lot of them because I'm like, you can't keep a secret. If enough people know about it, someone's gonna rat them out. I think they just got to a point where too many people knew and then it got out. Like, there's that guy who went on the Joe Rogan podcast. I'm forgetting his name, but he's this guy who's been talking about it for a long time. This guy like wrote a book he went to. He was an engineer. He went to work on one of these, like, alien research places to reverse engineer the ships and stuff. And then he told some people basically got fired and then got like followed around by the government.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:06] And they also said that he didn't work for Area 51, but he actually did.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:10] They denied it. And then later on, eventually, like papers came out that he did to confirm it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:14] I don't know about this guy. And you can't kill everyone like you can kill a certain amount of people. But then at that point, you can't just keep killing people.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:21] Yeah, people will see, people will notice like you can. The government can probably like take out like a handful, maybe a dozen people mysteriously dying.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:28] Right, Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:29] Yeah. And what the more advanced it gets, the bigger the engineering teams they need to, to know things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:35] So if there's a I feel like what we're saying like, you know how actuaries can like take what kind of car you drive, whether you smoke or don't smoke, what you eat and like predict with almost with a pretty good certainty, like when you're going to pass away. Right. Barring some weird thing happening and wonder if there's an equation about information, just like there's a critical mass, a critical point where it can't be stopped.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:56] Yeah. Like they calculate literally reality things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:59] Yeah, they probably have that. And they've done the math. And it's like with the internet, with everything being what it is, you know? And unless you can't be like these countries that shut off the internet, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:09] Yeah, they could probably predict, okay, this is when, if we don't say something now, in two years, it's going to go mass. So if we say something now and anticipate it and the government starts talking about it, then they can control the narrative.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:23] Yeah, absolutely. Well, I was actually just watching a YouTube or a TikTok actually about this, and they were saying that in 2027, there's going to be this mass disclosure. But to be fair, they've been saying mass disclosure for like the last like 20 years. I mean, under that kind of it makes sense that at some point you have to start to release it unless it's going to shock everybody.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:39] It's weird. Like this is a little off topic, but this makes me think of I don't know if it's called astral projection or something. There's a song like you grew up in church and it's this belief Jesus is going to come back and everyone will know. Like it'll be undeniable. Well, there's a song like Every Knee Shall Bow every Tongue, confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I don't know if this was told to me, but I always thought he was just going to come down from the sky, right? And then like, Oh my God, that's him. But now, like, we know that, like, you know, there's a Tupac hologram. Like, you can even make that effect, you know?

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:11] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:11] And so there's theories that someone will make that effect.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:14] If Jesus came back, so many people would be like, no, it didn't.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:17] Right, right. Exactly right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:19] I mean, I think that's probably part of why no one cares about this whistleblower, is that now no one knows. Is the whistleblower real? Is he an actor? We don't know if he's real. He could be making these up. He could be a crazy person. Honestly, I have to. Because if I start to doubt, like every little thing in life, I'm going to go nuts.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:36] Right. Did you know, by the way, I don't know if we've ever talked about this. Did you know President Jimmy Carter had a UFO sighting? Yeah. What? Yeah, before he was president in, like, him and some people. And he reported it before he was president in 1969. It's amazing to think that you could have a UFO sighting and still become president. I think he's like. He's like actual Forrest Gump. You know, he's like the real Forrest Gump. I like that guy, by the way. And we can argue about that. But my theory I don't know if we if we had theories yet, but what I think is that I always go back to Dwight. I think it was Dwight Eisenhower who warned us of the military industrial complex.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:12] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:12] And I think it's one of these things where, like you watch Oppenheimer, I don't want to spoiler alert if you haven't seen it, but apparently, like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:18] Wait, does The bomb work?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:20] Right, Right. I know, right? But then like, basically the only countries that have a weapon program, a nuclear weapon program, Germany and then us and we beat Germany, they don't get there in time. They were going down the wrong path. And then some like in the movie, one of those guys kind of like leaks secrets to the Russians. And then a few years later, now the Russians have a nuclear weapon program, and then there's the Cold War. But then documentary I was watching and something I read actually, there were a bunch of those, like a bunch of people at the Manhattan Project. For whatever reason, they were either compromised or they. They were sympathetic to the Russian Soviet Union. They leaked information. So like, you take all these people, you take them to New Mexico. This is before cell phones. And like no one can leave and information gets leaked, maybe after, but it's not one. It's like maybe 6 or 7 of the scientists. So at some point you go, you guys wanted them to leak it because you can't justify an arms race if no one else has the weapons. You see what I mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:17] Interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:17] I don't agree with this, but. Okay, so. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:19] Interesting. I'm thinking about I'm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:20] Not saying the government, but I'm saying some other party. Like eventually at some point, scientists are doing this. Eventually there's a company that's going to come in. And if I'm that company, I'm like, Well, I mean, usually when you have to sign something that says you're not going to make something for someone else but the arms race, I just think like like they benefit. So now will admit that they're aliens because we know if there's a real World War three, it'll be the last war, right? So now it's like, let's admit they're aliens justify building up more arms because it's just you constantly need an invisible boogeyman. Soviet Union. You know, Osama bin Laden.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:53] You sound like a conspiracy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:54] That is interesting because that would get the countries of the world to bond back together.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:59] Republicans and Democrats are all in this this, this hearing. And they're like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:03] Yeah For once They're not fighting each other. They're fighting an outside enemy. Interesting. Interesting. Well, I mean, looking back at the pandemic now, I'm going to be conspiratorial and just like pile on, right. Maybe the pandemic was meant to be the thing that got everybody together. And then it wasn't because they couldn't like there was enough racism that they couldn't not think that China did it. And then then there were people like infighting within the country, Republicans and Democrats, and the government was lying to us.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:29] People wouldn't want to wear masks like it was like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:31] I know. Like there was so much that we were like, Oh, we had no idea that people would react this way. Well, shit. So it would make sense like, okay, if we're trying to get everybody to bond back together and have peace and prevent war, let's introduce aliens and then everybody will bond together. But newsflash, there's going to be skeptics. There's going to be people who are like the same thing with the pandemic. I don't think aliens are going to be any different.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:54] I mean, unless they're like literally walking down the street shooting people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:57] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:58] I think at some point. But let me just say this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:00] But you can shoot someone from the sky and be like it was aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:02] And then they'll be like, it's like a satellite or something. Chinese government satellite or something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:06] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:07] People have been leaking information about the aliens and the aliens and all this stuff that they talked about in the hearing. So it's not it's not quite right to say that. It's like a secret that's been held. It's just that they basically anybody who said it was seen as a crazy person.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:21] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:21] Right. So if you saw a ship or you saw. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:23] Gaslighters.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:24] Yeah. Everybody would be like, you're crazy or you have no no idea what you're doing, even when they seemingly were credible people. So there was like a, you know, a strong disinformation campaign around the spacebar. That's why I've you know, I've always been agnostic when it comes to most supernatural things. But the one thing I always pretty much believed but didn't believe it was the way everyone was saying was aliens. I believed aliens existed. I believe that they visited the Earth. I just wasn't sure the way it was happening was happening, but that something was happening. And because there's just. There's just too many people.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:55] Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:55] Too many things. Too many situations. And and just logically, it just makes sense. I mean, the universe is so big, Right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:01] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:02] And I mean, if we wanted people to band together like that, then why not sooner? Like, why now?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:07] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:07] So, I mean, I think I think they are real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:10] I don't think it's band together either either. Like you guys said, we have the technology to deal with it or we just need another reason to spend money making more weapons.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:18] You're such a capitalist, anti-capitalist person.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:21] But I think they just lost control of it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:23] If we're playing, the government knew about it and they've kind of known and they've been trying to get us used to the idea. You know, that's why if you follow this logically, there are stories of aliens being good, like E.T. and then aliens being bad and everything in between, like Star Trek.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:37] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:38] To me, one of the interesting things from this hearing and this whole idea about aliens being real or not is that one of the reasons we're less afraid is that it's not just bad.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:46] Yeah. Like not every possibility of good

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:47] There's a yeah, there's a possibility that some of the aliens are good and some of the aliens are not good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:51] And we don't know if they're all from the same place. Yeah, there could be multiple types of aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:54] And for me, the thing that I worry always is that when I think about, you know, what it was like when a higher, higher civilization meets a lower civilization.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:02] They take Over.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:03] Yeah, They usually is not good for the lower civilization. Like, just think about, you know, for Native Americans and indigenous folks in America, it was the most culturally diverse place in the entire world at the time. Had more languages, more religions, more peoples than anywhere else.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:16] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:17] That's when they first got here, the Europeans. And then by the time the rest of the Europeans came, they were decimated. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:21] Because The first wave knocked them out with disease. Not on purpose, though.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:26] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:26] Just. Just, just by.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:27] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:28] Covid-19.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:29] Just by. Just by coming Here. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:31] And then. And then they literally were trying to kill and commit genocide.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:35] When they came back. Yeah, but let's finish the job.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:37] But I think that, you know, so I just think, well we're the lower people. I worry a little bit about what that looks like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:43] Beyond us not being technologically as advanced as they are because they have to be right more advanced to come to visit us. They probably don't like what's. Going on. They probably like because we like you said, we assume that because if if aliens exist and if they are more advanced than us, then they could have killed us already. And the fact that they have it means that they don't want don't want to.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:02] They're like, you're going to kill yourselves on your own through Climate change.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:05] I've mentioned this on on a couple of podcasts already, but the 1950s podcast, there were Space Brothers and Space Sisters where they would literally abduct people, take them to space and show them the earth and say, You're destroying this planet. Or there's a lot of. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:17] Just like the Guy who talked to Eisenhower.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:19] Eisenhower Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:20] The, the the Valkyrie guy. Nordic guy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:22] Yeah. And then there was also a lot of cases where strange UAP sightings were at nuclear facilities where they lost control of everything. And then, like it was shut, everything was shut down. And just to show that they could do it, I think is what people would say. But so there has been a lot of like they're kind of looking after us like a zoo animal more than like they're trying to destroy us kind of thing. But but then there's also, you know, the other aliens who do weird stuff with us. So I don't know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:47] I think that's more their scientific experimentation. Like like we said, the zoo animal, like the tagging when you tag a dolphin so you know what's going on, What's the dolphin migration patterns? What's going on with them? Oh, look, it went to a strip club like. Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:00] And, and with the with the with the ones that do bad things. Maybe they just wanted to like, you know, you got to. You got to start somewhere with anal, you know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:13] All right. Well, on that note, let's let's get some predictions instead of instead of doing a theory, let's do predictions.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:18] I like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:19] This is off the cusp. So none of us have given it any thought and just came up with it now. So I don't have any thoughts. So let's start with Dwayne Dwayne. What's a prediction on what's going to come next after this?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:27] Okay. So I think some forces are going to try to capitalize on this in the sense of like make the aliens appear to be bad because like in our in our world, every advanced civilization has treated every less advanced civilization, civilization bad. Right. Except for slavery, where you learn to craft and. Trade and I'm being sarcastic.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:51] It was good for both sides.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:52] Right, Right, right, right. But even slavery, it's like if you learn the craft that was when you were doing it for free. Then when you had to get paid to do said craft, Jim Crow kicked in. So even if you were skilled, they weren't going to pay you for something you were just doing for free. But back to the aliens. So there's going to be a campaign weapons build up kind of thing, us versus them. But then the alien technology at some point is going to kick in and be like, enough is enough. You know, you're slandering us, besmirching our name, and they're going to just shut everything down, come down and somehow tell everybody what's good. And it might be through some brainwave, just like not something we see on TV. We just they'll just insert it into all our brains.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:29] You sound like a crazy person,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:30] And then we'll know what's going on.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:32] Right? What if all the crazy people have been right all along?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:35] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:36] That's. That's an Interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:37] I always think about that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:38] Like the homeless person.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:39] Yeah Yeah. They're actually talking to Aliens who are right there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:42] They all put aluminum foil on their head. That's the only way they're trying to block the signal.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:46] Maybe they're. Right. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:47] Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:48] We've been gaslighting them the whole time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:50] Cat do you want to go or you want me to go?

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:51] I'll go. Okay. So my prediction is that America's going to America, right? And there's going to be half of the country that's going to think the aliens are bad and we need to start a war. Which side do you think that is? That's right. The Green Party. No, no, the Republicans. And then I think the Democrats are going to be very much like, no, let's be friends with them. They just want us to be environmentally friendly. And that might even be true. But the Republicans are like no big oil and they won't want to be environmentally friendly, which is why they're going to want to start the fight with them. So I think that's the bulk of it. And then I think like some other country, maybe the the Russia or somebody is going to ally with them and then it's going to be a fight that's like us versus like China plus aliens or like like. Um. Possibly because it's going to be to somebody's advantage to ally. Somebody will ally with the aliens.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:48] But then how does That. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:49] Fight Them. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:50] How does that End?

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:51] Probably.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:52] Does it end with. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:52] Slavery. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:53] Earth ending or do we beat the aliens or do we come to some kind of a peace?

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:58] Great question. I don't know that. But probably a lot of people die,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:03] Right? That's why they take a few of us with them.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:05] And then to your point, I wonder, 20 years ago, the Republicans were super like war military. And now lately they've been like, Oh, we shouldn't be in Ukraine.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:14] Oh, yeah, Just kind of pivoted.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:15] Yeah. So it's Like Trump. He tapped into what people really thought,

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:18] Yeah. Yeah, there's a reason he's popular.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:20] Yeah. I wonder if the Democrats would be the ones that are like, No, no, this is like we've read so much that this, these guys are this is going to end badly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:27] That's possible.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:27] I don't trust their cookbook right the whole to serve man thing. Whereas the Republicans are like well these guys are like they're Nordic looking. They look really great. I want to be like them.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:36] Well, well, let's Well, that's the thing. I think that's something that we haven't talked about. If we get the chance to see these aliens, a lot of this is going to depend on if they look white, if they don't look white.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:46] It's interesting that you say That because I'm now recalling some stuff I've read about the religion of Nazis in Germany. And they did believe, like certain people, came from aliens. Now, I'm not an expert in it, so I can't really remember if it was the Jews that were aliens or if it was the Nordic people that were aliens, but somebody was aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:05] One of those two.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:06] I'm not an expert on Nazi religious theory, but it did play a role for them. And I want to say it was that the Nordics were like a special alien class.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:16] But Nordics kind of like everything you think about Aryan, like Hitler didn't look like like the Aryan race he promoted. But Nordics do look like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:25] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:25] Right. So.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:26] So my, my thing is, I think if you're looking back at the disclosures that have happened, they've gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. So I think naturally the next step is that they're going to get much bigger and it's going to be released that they're real. That's the first thing. And then the second thing is going to be met at the same time with a technological advance that is a super jump And. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:44] We just did fission for the second time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:46] But even more so, it's going to change everything, I think. I think one of the reasons why the country is so like at a weird space is because we're we're in that transition from one kind of technology to the next. It'll be it's almost like we're between the industrial Revolution and the agricultural revolution.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:02] We are on the verge of another revolution and the truth revolution that's big because now anything can be faked. So it's like just a whole other standard of.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:09] But I think it's going to be technological, something technological, and I think AI is part of it. But I think there's something else that's going on and I think it's going to be related to this whole disclosure movement.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:19] They already have brain implants that are supposed to help people with with mood disorders and epilepsy and that sort of a thing. And those have existed for a few years now. They're just not mainstreamed yet. So I wouldn't be surprised if those have something to do with it. I mean, Musk has neuralink, but I don't exactly think I don't know that Musk is like the most advanced person. If there's neuralink, there's surely a bunch of other things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:41] And what I love about that is regardless of what happens, probably things like people being paraplegic, all of that. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:47] Can change,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:48] Be changed, be be fixed.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:50] Yeah. Cancer. Yeah. Final words of wisdom.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:52] I think ghosts have been aliens all along.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:56] That's my new thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:56] Because you're not on board with ghosts, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:58] I am. I'm fully on board, you guys. I got a haunting. I don't know. Do we want to include that update?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:03] Let's Go. Let's hear it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:03] Oh, yeah. You told us a little bit about it, right? Like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:06] No. This one was last. Last week. I haven't seen you guys. You guys. I got, like, a haunting in my house. There was a glass that fell. That was the first thing last week and then slid across the kitchen floor from one side of the kitchen to the other side of the kitchen. We were in another room. So either I have a man living in my house like the movie The Boy a spoiler. Um.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:25] Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:26] Or that. Yeah, that was a weird kinetic thing. And we tried to recreate it and we're like, Yeah, there's no way the glass gets to the other side without a push. And then my boyfriend goes, All right, if you're here, let me see you. And then the next day he sees a thing like a lady floating above me. When he woke up, like in the middle, like I was awake too. And I'm like, What are you talking about? He's like,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:46] You didn't see it there?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:47] I didn't see it. He saw it. People in his family have the ability to see things and he says he saw it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:52] This is your place Right. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:53] In my condo. So in My condo.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:55] And you Lived there before he came?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:57] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:57] So he brought the haunting with him?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:59] No, I had kind of seen some things Like some bumps and random noises, but I dismissed them because I was like, Nah, I don't feel like believing in that today. And okay, those are all deniable, right? He could have been dreaming. Maybe we just didn't remember properly where that glass was initially. Like we could be misremembering the glass thing. Like we went to a Catholic store, we bought some crosses, put them on the walls.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:22] Catholic store?

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:23] Yeah, they have those.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:24] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:25] You just have to Like, look Closely around a Catholic store. Bought some sage. I'm burning the sage every time I start praying. And our father, the sage, goes out, like four times until it finally, like, properly catches fire.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:36] That sounds like it's.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:38] Like a prop. I had to do an exorcism.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:40] Why is he So against saying our father who. Who's haunting you? That's. That's.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:45] It was a lady Ghost. It was a lady ghost. Anyways, so I'm praying and I'm like, if there's a spirit of destruction or a spirit who wants to cause us harm, like leave or like leave. If you're a spirit who wants to cause us harm on the word harm, something pounded on the glass of my mirror in my room like like a clang. And we were six feet away from it. So I believe in ghosts Now. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:08] You're gonna have to say its name or maybe say its name backwards. That's crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:12] Last week was a weird week, and then my dogs all got diarrhea.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:18] Ha. That's. It's official. It's haunted. But I won't. I won't be visiting you anytime soon, so that's good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:26] Yeah. Maybe we Should. No, we should do an episode there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:28] Oh, we could, actually. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:30] Episode at your place.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:31] I know. I don't want to invite the spirits back because I think I got him to leave. I put salt in all the corners. That's what my step mom told me to do. You got to salt the place. You got to burn Sage open the window. Because if you burn sage, you don't open the window. Then the ghosts get mad. That's a Native American thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:45] They can't get out.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:45] Yeah, Yeah, They want to get out. They don't like sage.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:48] Interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:48] That was crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:49] I know. Right? But I think maybe what if almost scientifically, more likely, the ghosts are aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:57] They're like invisible or something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:59] Yeah, they're just invisible.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:00] Well, what I Like about what you're saying, what makes me think of, at least, is with this new advancement, whatever it is, it seems like the story that we're obsessed with lately is multiple planes of existence and multiple universes. And I think it's tied into regret forks in a row. If I would have done this, what if I would have done. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:17] That part of string theory

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:18] Yeah. Yeah. So that's where the enlightenment comes, where we learn, Oh, there is. There are these parallel.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:25] And then what if, like, in everything, everywhere, all at once, we're able to jump to the other one and we never have to have a regret again because we can just go to the other one.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:33] What if I murdered that dude? Oh,

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:37] Not that one. Not that one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:38] Just if I'm. If that's true, though, just please, I pray. Don't send me to the one where my fingers are hot dogs. Don't. I don't want To.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:48] All right. The last thing I would say is there's this book I was trying to remember. I'm trying to look it up before we got here, but I couldn't find it. But there is a book about how all the major world religions and how they would deal with the fact that if the aliens were real.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:59] Ooh, interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:00] And it was really interesting because like, you know, for example, like in Islamic culture, like there is room for the idea that there is another place. But like, if you look at some of like Christian denominations, they would say no, because it all started with Jesus or it all started with God and then.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:15] Adam and Eve and all that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:15] There couldn't be anything else. And so in Buddhism I think it'd be okay because Buddhism is a little bit different. It's not like a deity kind of thing, but it was a really interesting book and it it's one of those books that really changed the way you look at aliens in that I think it helps like or it made me think how much of our worldview would have to change if aliens were actually verifiably 100% real. Like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:38] Well There's there's a lot of like, there's parts in the Bible where they talk about these giants and things like that. There are some other creatures there that are unexplained.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:45] Yeah, a lot of people don't interpret that. Like, it's like real, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:48] Yeah. But I think they ignore that. They just conveniently ignore it. Like these other creatures that no one's ever seen before. Like Bigfoot. Like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:56] But I wonder, you know, I mean, a lot of it would have to change a lot of how we look at ourselves, a lot of how we look at other people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:02] Right. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:02] And the last thing last thing I'll say is, you know, one of the things that I tell I tell my son and I tell people that, you know, especially when they, like don't like Asians or other people, is that during the last ice age, our population of humans went down to 100,000 people. So all humanity got down to 100,000. They died. So that means all of the people that live now are within that same 100,000 descendants. That's one of the reasons why we, no matter what our race or what we look like, we're essentially genetically the exact same. That's why we could still have babies together. Right,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:31] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:31] And so when and so when people hate each other for the way we look or what for the outer skin, we are so much alike. And one of the things I hope is that with aliens, that will start to see ourselves as more alike than different.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:43] Right, Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like we're all houses in these housing developments with all the houses are the exact same. And then, like, one guy throws up like a wreath and another guy has, like, a flag and. Same house.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:55] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:56] You know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:57] But essentially, we are. I mean, I think genetically we're like 99.9% the same. I mean, even more we're so similar because, you know, like you look at the evolution, you see a fox on on the mainland and the fox on an island. They can't mate after a while. Right. They're separate species.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:12] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:13] But we're essentially the same species because we could still mate. Right. And so I think that that's one of the things I've always hoped that aliens would would change about us.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:20] Yeah. Especially if they're scary and we're forced to sort of like they say, that's what happened in some regards on even on slave ships, if there were different slaves from different tribes and they didn't get along. And it's like we're all we're all yeah, because we're in the same thing now.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:36] And to the point of like, I know we're talking a lot about gender and gender is a construct, right? It's a human construct. Race is even more of a construct or equally a construct as gender is. And I always think that that's the next step. So like, we're not that different Asians and African Americans or Latino Or. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:53] Yeah, like you take people from any culture, any race and it's like mothers mostly love their children. You know, families love each other Like. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:02] You can't eat other humans.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:03] Yeah, it shows in some way, shape or form. You know, communication might be different and like, customs might be different. Like, some cultures don't hug their kids, but they still Love each other.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:13] Damn, those Asian parents.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:15] Right, Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:16] I was thinking Germans, but. But at the end of the day, you know, you know, families will still, like, die for each other.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:24] Like when talk about movies with people. And people always ask me what movies they should write. And I say, action because action is the one, one genre that crosses all barriers. Because if you if you look at taken ah, every culture understands that you don't want your daughter sold into sex slavery, right? It could be in Dubai or you could be in Africa or Chicago or Japan and know that that's bad, right? But whereas horror is culturally specific, comedy is definitely culturally specific.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:46] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:47] And even drama could be culturally specific, but everybody knows that you don't want the aliens coming to Sky.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:51] Yeah. And minions everyone. Likes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:53] Right, Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:54] Little yellow dudes who speak in gibberish.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:57] But and but the thing about religion is interesting is that we have to, if aliens exist, come to terms with what the purpose of religion is, especially religions that didn't account for that, then it's like, Oh, this story was a metaphor. And it was sort of to encourage us to live a certain way, you know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:14] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:14] And some people don't want to deal with that, right? They want to keep the fire and brimstone, kind of.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:18] Yeah, definitely. Definitely. The fire and brimstone. There's a lot of masculinity stuff that's been held on to in Christianity that is, I think it's left over from ancient Rome where they, like ancient Romans, were gladiators. They really they worshiped war and they liked to kill each other. And it was all about toughness. I just started watching Spartacus, too.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:37] Even when they're humping each other, it was so they were still still about masculinity. It was tough.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:42] Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:43] So and that there. Is a lot of that left over in today's Christianity, especially in some parts of the country where they don't want to see it about love. They want to see it about toughness. Like they will highlight the parts where Jesus is on a horse with a sword rather than where he's like, take care of the kid.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:01] Punishment. Like if you kill people, if you. Don't comply, you go to hell. And all of that stuff, you know, it's like parents, you parents punish their kids. Well, if they're loving and, you know, well-adjusted parents, the punishment is it's really about future, like making sure they don't make a bigger mistake in the in the future. It's not like you really want them to suffer in that moment, you know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:22] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:22] And I think that's kind of what religion is set up to be. But then some people take it and like hype it up a bit.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:27] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:27] To, to control, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:29] Yeah. They'll have to like, reprocess the religion. Like, what is it really mean? Like, how do all these religions teach us the same human truths? What do we have in common? Not what we have That's different. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:40] Even like Judeo-Christian, though I think that hopefully it means that the Bible and Old Testament is more of a a way of living as opposed to like, like factual, like texts that actually happen, every single Part of it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:53] And it also could mean like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:54] It actually happened the way.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:56] Greek mythology. Greek and Roman mythology could have been. Was actually right. Yeah. Even though they were all the same stories. Kind of.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:03] I mean, I mean, I was reading this book SPQR because like I just said, I am obsessed with Rome right now. Just learning about it. Like the creation story of ancient Rome is almost identical to the creation story of Jesus with a virgin birth, essentially not a virgin. She's raped by the God Jupiter, which is different from a virgin birth. And then.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:23] Well, was It I mean did Mary Consent. Mary consent to it?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:27] Uh, no. But it wasn't the same. Like, it's just like a boop. Oh, my gosh How cute. Now you're pregnant.Not like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:34] That's what I try to Tell girls in high school.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:36] What's that?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:38]  He's just going to be a boob. You won't even feel it. It's over in a second.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:43] But I mean The creation myths around the world are very similar.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:45] They're very similar. I wonder what if Romulus and Romulus, Romulus and Remus and Jesus and all these creation myths? What if they were impregnated by aliens? What brought it back?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:56] Yes. Yeah, man, that could be the real story. Yeah, absolutely.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:59] You know what? If Muhammad talked to an alien,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:02] The Aliens, and they. Yeah, they could just be coming back to see how it's going. Like, we're like a Chia Pet.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:07] Here's a trip. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:07] Coming back To see how it's grown.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:09] Ron L Hubbard was actually right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:13] Oh, my God.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:15] All those times I turned down those meetings in this business, I should have said yes. It's going to be like the biggest regret of my life.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:23] Oh, my God. I wonder if a bunch of people are converting to Scientology now that aliens are real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:28] Oh, yeah. Scientology is going to be like and be like In your face.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:31] I told you the time was right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:33] All the Time.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:34] Yeah, that's a great point, actually. Wow.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:36] All right, guys, thank you so much for joining us on this emergency pod.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:41] Yeah, thank you, guys. Hug an alien,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:43] Hug an alien.