S3E10 MJ & Chemtical Castration with Michelle Malzaki

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:00] Let's start with our favorite Michael Jackson songs of all time. Dwayane I know you want to get started, so why don't you start us off?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:06] It's actually kind of easy, but then I'll give a little caveat. So it's probably rock with you. I wanna rock with you. I just think that song is just like, maybe the perfect song. It's so in pocket. It's so melodic. But I did win $100 in a lip sync contest to remember the time, so that's got to be an honorable mention.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:29] What is your favorite Michael Jackson song?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:31] The Smooth Criminal? Definitely. It's just so catchy. It's I wish I had more to it. I don't have as I have never won a lip sync contest to a Michael Jackson song myself. I only lose those every time I try.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:45] Michelle, do you have a favorite Michael Jackson song?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:00:47] Well, I can't say it because it has t h r and L three. Thriller. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:53] Oh thriller. Oh, okay. Why do you like thriller?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:00:56] I don't know, it's like a seasonal song.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:58] Oh, because. It's like. 

Michelle Malzaki: [00:01:00] Every Halloween I'm dancing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:04] And it had it's maybe arguably the top one or 2 or 3 videos ever.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:09] And I, I have to say, I never actually listened to too much Michael Jackson. I was that nerdy kid who listened to political talk radio and sports talk radio when I was a kid, so I didn't hear any of the songs. Uh, my first real musician, that person I listened to was Tupac. So I kind of missed that, that Michael Jackson popular time.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:26] I kind of missed the Michael Jackson era, too. Um, because I was like, I was born, like a little too late for Michael Jackson. Like the big one when I was when I was a kid. Oh, that. That's not even a Michael. That's R Kelly. Sorry.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:39] I believe I can fly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:41] I believe I can fly. That's not even Michael Jackson. That's the closest thing to a Michael Jackson hit from my childhood. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:46] Cat. Probably in your childhood. You rocked my world. Was probably in your childhood or, um, I don't know, at some point. And that was a massive hit. That was his last massive hit, and that was in the 2000, I think.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:57] Really, I don't even know what that one is. I was too busy listening to Eminem in the 2000.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:05] Yeah, it was either 99 or 2000, but it's also a great video. Um, Chris Tucker is in the video.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:10] Oh yeah. Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:11] My favorite one is a baby one more time. I think that was Michael Jackson, right? No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:17] Oh, that that could be dark, depending on how you hear that title.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:22] Yeah. That's true, that's true.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:29] Welcome. This is season three, episode ten of the award winning unofficial official story podcast. I'm Cat and I'm full of Chocolate. I just finished off a See's Candies chocolate box that my boyfriend got me. So that's how I'm feeling. High on sugar. How about you guys?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:48] Haha. Hey guys, I'm Dwayne I'm feeling good. I'm feeling, um, like I'm very excited about Christmas. Uh, I'm not going to go shopping until the 24th, but, uh, yeah, I'm feeling good about it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:00] You know what? I think that's going to be a very peaceful experience for you. Very Zen shopping on the 24th.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:05] And I am Koji and I am I, I've done all my shopping already and I've. And excitedly, I actually ate a whole box of, uh, Harry and David's popcorn that my intern gave me, actually, the intern that wrote this show. So thank you very much.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:20] Well, are you still doing one day of fasting? So if so, you can afford it. You can afford the popcorn.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:24] Yes, I do, I do two days of fasting. I do one day on Tuesday and then one day on Thursday for 24 hours.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:29] Um, and this is where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime, and by the end will tell you what really maybe happened. In this episode, we're asking the question, was Michael Jackson chemically castrated by his father? But first, let's introduce our comedian, Michelle Malazaki. Uh, Ichiban mom Michelle Malazaki is not only a stand up comedian but also a musical artist. Her track Nap Time by Napeightsta is the official song for National Napping Day. And in the comedic arena, Michelle's achievements include being a runner up at Funny Fest in Canada in 2023, showcasing her wit on an international stage. She has also opened for Russell Peters and was featured on CNN in a program called champions for change, raising her status to become a formidable force in the world of laughter. Hi, Michelle. Welcome.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:04:31] Yay! Oh my gosh.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:33] hi Michelle.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:04:33] I love my bio. I sound so wonderful.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:38] I also want to mention that Michelle and I are going to be doing a podcast for the Japanese American National Museum. It's going to come out in February. That's why I wanted to bring her on board to introduce you guys. So we'll we'll talk more about that when that comes out. But Michelle, tell us how you became a comedian.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:04:50] Oh, thank you for having me on. I'm so super excited. Well, I, you know, I had a midlife crisis because I listened to Michael Jackson's Jacksons songs in 80s cap. Hahaha. And I, I don't know, I started taking improv classes and then that led me to take more classes at improv schools. And then, you know, it hit me, you need a team to do improv. So I started doing solo act and become a stand up comedian. So in short, I have no friends.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:24] What did your family think of you becoming a comedian?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:05:27] I, I'm married to a rocket scientist, so he's not talkative and he doesn't talk and all his jokes are terrible. So my kids think I'm great.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:41] Nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:41] And they were very supportive of you, the rocket scientist. He was very supportive of you.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:05:44] Well, he. He only came to my show three times out of like, 2000, so I don't. Is he supportive? I don't know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:53] Honestly, as as a fellow comedian with a partner, I feel like they come to our shows at the beginning, like the first like 3 or 4 times, and then they're like, oh, you're doing the same thing every time I'm done. And then they stop. They stop.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:06:07] Yeah. Last time my husband came to that came to my show because he wanted to see somebody else on the show.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:14] Oh,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:15] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:17] Now my my Boyfriend only comes to my shows if they're at the Comedy and Magic Club because he wants the food.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:06:22] Oh,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:23] There you go. Um, and you also have a music career here. Why don't you tell us about how that that happened?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:06:27] Yeah. I want to be a one hit wonder. And so I have a few songs and I, you know, according to Google, I am a music artist. Yes, I did Google search on internet. And, um, at first it says my genre was rap, which I'm not. So I contacted Google and and told them like, uh, I'm not a rap artist. And they said, prove it. Like, yo yo, yo, I don't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:53] How do you prove you're not something.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:06:55] I don't. Know? Like. And then they changed it. Just like music artist. I guess they figured that I wasn't a rap artist. Yeah, but I want to be a one hit wonder someday. Someday.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:06] You know, I used to have a I used to have a joke about that. By the way, nowadays, if you, you know, if you have a joke, you almost have to put it out in some public forum because it's the only way to prove you did it. Right. But, um, I used to have a joke about, uh, because Europe, you know, because Michael, um, what's his name? Uh, Hasselhoff. He's he's a he was a big musical star in Germany. So I had a joke about, uh, everyone gets to have one hit in Europe. It's like jury duty. You know, you go in and you film you. So I think if you're going to be a one hit wonder, like you could do it here for sure. But I feel like Europe is the perfect place.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:38] All right, well, now let's get this story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:43] Yep. Let's do it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:44] Word. This is, uh. Yeah, this one is interesting. Uh, was Michael Jackson chemically castrated by his father? First off, what is chemical castration? Well, according to Wikipedia. Can't go wrong with those guys. Uh, chemical castration is castration via, uh. And this is what I forgot to do. Look up how to say this word and a fro, uh, DQ.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:05] Probably an aphrodisiac. If I had to guess.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:07] Oh. Oh, I didn't even see that. An aphrodisiac. Oh, okay. Yeah, I see it now. Uh, whether to reduce libido and sexual activity to treat cancer or otherwise, that's what you know, usually is for unlike surgical castration, where the, uh, gonads are removed through an incision in the body, chemical castration does not remove organs, nor is it a form of sterilization. Chemical castration is generally reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects and body chemistry can sometimes be seen, uh, as in the case of bone density loss.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:36] I didn't even know that you could do chemical castration before this. Did you guys even know that that was possible?

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:41] Yeah, I knew that was possible. They do that to, uh, pedos to to pedophiles so that they, like, once they get.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:46] Dwayne Dwayne Dwayne. Why don't you tell us about your experience?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:51] Well. I didn't know that either. But when people are transitioning, I knew that they could. So I guess when you're transitioning, they can, like, increase testosterone or increase, um, estrogen or decrease. So I guess that I knew, but I didn't know about chemical castration.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:07] So the theory of Michael Jackson's chemical castration has been circling for several years now. In a video that can be watched on Access Hollywood's YouTube channel, the link will be in the show notes Conrad Murray, Jackson's former physician who administrated the fatal dose of propofol. Or do you say that? Propofol. Propofol? Oh my God,

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:23] Propofol.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:24] That killed. Jackson in 2009 and was subsequently convicted of involuntary manslaughter, claims that Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, had chemically castrated Michael or MJ at the age of 12, in order to keep his voice from deepening during puberty.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:39] Oh. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:39] Yeah. This is crazy. He reiterates this in his book This Is It The Secret Lives of Doctor Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson, which was released in 2016. So let me just say, if it's in a book, it's true. So we're done.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:50] Yeah. At least it's not the internet.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:51] Yeah, yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:52] It's better.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:52] It's in a book. It's fine. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:55] Take a look. It's in a book. Reading rainbow. Um, uh. You're welcome for my singing. Uh, that brighten your day? Uh, okay.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:10:07] You're a Good singer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:09] Thank you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:10] Maybe you could have a one hit wonder. You have a one hit wonder. You have a one hit wonder. You have a one hit wonder.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:15] What are you, the Oprah of one hit Wonders? All right, let's keep going. Now, it was no secret that MJ had a tense relationship with his father. What? Really? Okay. In the 2003 documentary living with Michael Jackson, MJ recalls the memories of his father's harsh treatment during his childhood. According to The Blast, it was also discovered after MJ's death that Joe Jackson was written out of MJ's will, and MJ reportedly told many of his friends about his hatred for his father.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:49] Wait, wait, so let me just say I'm really tough on my son. He wants to be a major League Baseball player. I hope he never thinks that I chemically castrated him. Like, I hope that that's not right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:58] Well, but then. Then don't do that. Yeah, he won't make it if you don't do it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:03] As long as Your son goes through actual puberty, odds are he will not think you chemically.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:08] Yeah, but yeah, I just want to make that clear on this podcast.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:11:11] But for the sports, the athlete, they don't. They need to be the true opposite of castration.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:17] Yes. So maybe they put an extra testicle so he'll have four.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:11:20] Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:24] You can Have four. Testing for testicles.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:11:26] Koji's son got Small small ball.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:28] You get a Testicle and you get a testicle.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:32] We are very silly over here. All right. However, the Jackson family put out multiple warm statements after Joe Jackson's death. Mj's children, Prince and Paris, also seemed to have loving memories of Joe. Contrary to the kinds of stories that Michael would tell about his father. Hmm. Suspicious.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:54] Well, you know, grandparents are usually nicer to the grandkids.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:58] True.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:58] You know, it's just, uh, it's not their responsibility. It's more like, here's some candy and then go home.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:03] Plus, like, MJ was the cash cow, right? Everybody else, he's going to be nice to everybody else. But MJ in particular was like that's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:10] And also that's a good point. The cash was already made. So he you only had to be like ride one guy with the talent. Now everyone is just, you know chilling off that you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:20] Mhm. Mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:21] On an Instagram post uh June 27th, 2018 Prince Michael shares a photo of Joe with the caption uh link in the show notes this man is and always will be an example of sheer willpower and dedication. He didn't choose the path that was the easiest. But he chose the path that was best for his family. You taught me to take pride in the Jackson name and what it really means. You taught me dedication in the face of adversity. And most of all, you showed me strength and fearlessness. There is and never will be someone like you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:53] You know what's weird about that is it makes it seem like he's the one that was singing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:56] Mm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:56] Who? Uh. Prince. But it's almost like he's saying, like, it's a good thing you were really hard on my pop. I feel like he. I feel like he wrote that by the pool.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:13:06] Yeah. Like sheer will of beating him and stuff.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:13] Are also though, like I've heard, I've heard there are some real psychos out there, like serial killers who then have families and they're, like, good to their families because they like, kind of like what we're saying earlier. Like, he only had to ride one person to the top. Like he might even be making up for like, oh, I was so hard on my own, son. I'm going to make sure I'm going to be sweet to my grandkids.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:34] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:34] So, um, I don't I don't think that this contradiction actually means anything.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:39] Yeah, I don't think so either.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:13:40] And also, when you are younger, you you have energy to beat the kids. I guess.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:45] That's right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:47] My mom is a lot Nicer in her old age. So I think you're right. She used to beat the shit out of me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:53] Exactly right. That's exactly right. And you also learn you catch more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. So, you know, Joe. Joe probably got finesse in his in his older age.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:03] Mhm mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:04] Yes.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:14:05] Smart. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:05] I like it I love it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:06] Yeah. Okay. In addition there are various people that debate the authenticity of Murray's claims. According to Mel magazine, Mel magazine is something I always read for all my facts. I'm just letting you guys know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:15] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:16] The link is in the show.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:17] I use Ralph's, Ralph's, um, digest, but go ahead.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:21] Yes, the free one, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:23] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:23] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:24] I use Pennysaver. 

Michelle Malzaki: [00:14:25] Pennysaver.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:26] Do they still Exist? Does Pennysaver still exist?

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:28] I don't know, honestly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:30] That's a shame. If it doesn't. I mean, that would.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:32] I haven't seen it. I could just googled it.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:14:33] I haven't seen it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:34] We should restart that because that's something that. Maybe that's why Trump was elected.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:39] Because Pennysaver didn't exist anymore.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:40] Yeah. It filled like a hole.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:42] Oh, it went out of business in May of 2015. And you know what? Maybe that is why Trump got elected.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:14:47] Yeah. What a that can't be a coincidence. There's there's some kind of correlation. That's why he's running for office at that point by that point. So. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:54] Yeah. You never know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:55] Yeah okay. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:56] I smell a thesis. Uh, some some doctorate at work.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:01] New episode. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:02] Many fans are singing Experts argue that he definitely lost some vocal range after puberty. Also, um, while Michael Jackson was impressive for his range that spanned 3 or 4 octaves, other singers such as Freddie Mercury and Chris Cornell Cornell, sorry were also capable of doing this. The drug theorized have been used on MJ was still in clinical trials in the early 1970s, the period of time when MJ was 12. Many people believe in the Jackson family have, uh, fairly high pitched voices. And MJ's autopsy, released in 2009, noted no abnormalities when it came to his larynx.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:32] And yet Murray continues to claim that Michael Jackson was chemically castrated. So what do you guys think? Was Michael Jackson chemically castrated by his father? When we return, we'll put our heads together to figure out what really maybe happened.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:49] Thank you everybody for listening. We know that there's 50,000 of you guys listening to us every month, and if you guys could give us something that would be really awesome, because right now everything's being paid for out of my pocket and I don't want to be poor because of this podcast, so anything you could give would be much appreciated. And as we get more people supporting us on Patreon, we'll do more Patreon exclusives for you guys as well.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:08] I'm actually a Patreon member to two other podcasts, which means I should be helping Koji actually monetarily. But um. Which I don't mind. So I'm on both sides of it, is what I'm saying. And if you like something and you want to keep it going, that's how you vote. That's how you kind of keep things going. You know, if more people had given to Pennysaver, it would still be here.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:30] All right. Now that we've gone over the facts, let's talk about our theories. You guys go First.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:36] I want To go. But there's one thing I think we haven't talked about. And I guess we'll we can talk about it as we give our theories, but it's just that what does this Conrad Murray, what does he have to gain from saying this? Is he just trying to take the heat off of himself or just. 

Michelle Malzaki: [00:16:51] That's how he felt too?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:52] Mj was already messed up because it's it's such an odd thing to keep persisting. So it's either true or he's just weird. You know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:58] I. I'm bad, but that guy is way worse. He chemically castrated his own son. Maybe,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:03] Maybe, maybe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:04] I think he just published the book for the money because his medical license was revoked after the death, and he. I mean, he served, you know, he he's he received the maximum penalty of four years. I believe he served two. So, like, he needed the money. He was released in 2013. In the book came out in, uh, what what did we say 2015.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:24] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:25] So the man is broke.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:27] Maybe Mike told him that story to get the propofol. You know, maybe he's like, man, I can't sleep. You know, my dad beat me up, and he. He chemically castrated me. Come on, doc, be a sport. You know what I mean?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:17:40] The PTSD,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:41] But but Yeah, right. But here's here's my theory, though. I don't think this is that far fetched, to be honest with you, though, because big, big money was involved. Right. But I think Michael Jackson was not chemically castrated. I do think he didn't go through normal puberty, though. I think he was so afraid of Joe Jackson. Joe sat him down and said, we need you to not do this puberty thing. And he was so terrified and his whole body because of all the previous beatings. And so I think Joe Jackson just scared him into not having his voice change. I think that's that's my theory. Just it's amazing what you can do when you have to, you know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:13] Yeah. It's like the mother lifting the car when the baby's under it kind of thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:17] Right. Exactly. And Joe. Joe, just Joe just sat him down and be like, you know, like his voice cracked once and the beating he got was so severe that he just his body just suppressed, you know, full puberty.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:29] So your theory is basically that Joe willed Michael to not go through puberty, like, just through, like, sheer mental toughness.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:37] Right. Prince kind of confirmed it because Michael's son said, always be an example of sheer willpower and dedication. So yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:43] Wow. It's right there, in his words. Right? He was trying to tell us the whole time. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:48] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:49] All right. So my theory is, uh, my theory is a little bit more realistic than just sheer willpower. When he was, when he was 11 years old, he was.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:55] Oh, boy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:55] He was abducted by aliens.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:57] I knew it, I knew.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:58] There we go, there we go.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:00] Who wanted to bring peace to the world? They were super concerned about the world. People were starving and people were killing. Like, you know, it was Cold War. They thought that, you know, we're going to blow each other up. And so he they brought in an alien person who had that voice range and who kept the, you know, who who had that voice and they needed to copy it. So that's why it's a little bit different, but it's similar enough. Michael Jackson was not chemically castrated. He was just he's not like the Michael Jackson we saw wasn't the real Michael Jackson. It was just a alien.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:27] So the real Michael Jackson went through puberty. But the alien continued.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:19:31] Is that why that color changed?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:33] Yeah, everything that was all the that like the that was the he wasn't supposed to be here that long. But then the other Michael's having the real Michael's having so much fun on whatever other planet or dimension or spaceship or something. He just didn't want to come back. And that's kind of why it became awkward toward the end, because he, you know,

Michelle Malzaki: [00:19:49] I Think that happened like right after Pepsi commercial shot shoot.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:54] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:54] I like that theory because there was fire. There was hospitalized.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:19:57] Yeah. Fire. And then he's like disfigured and some they switched Michael Jackson.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:02] Um,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:03] What's the Song where we, uh, is it we are the world.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:05] Um. So you're saying it was originally We Are the Universe, and they they had to change. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:10] Their like That doesn't make any sense. We're talking about the world,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:12] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:13] So that's why, like, if you caught Michael in a, you know, the the alien Michael that is. And if you talk to him a little bit, he would say space brothers and space sisters, but then you'd always have to be reminded that that's not what we call other humans. We call them humans, you know?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:26] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:27] And then the whole kid thing was a total misunderstanding. The aliens eat kids like they actually eat them. Um, like it's like veal.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:33] Oh, so he Wasn't a pedo. He was a child eater.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:36] Yeah, exactly. Veal, veal. Everyone knows this. It's 100% fact I read. I read on Wikipedia. No, I read it on Mel magazine that aliens enjoy human, human children the most. They taste the best. They're fresh. They don't have a lot of things in them.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:49] But he didn't eat them. He he he had restraint, right? Or was he prepping them to eat them or.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:54] He was prepping and then those that got away and made the whole claims about him, those were the people that just got away. We don't know about the thousands of other kids he ate.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:00] So are you. Saying that shaman is actually, uh, maybe in a alien language? Shaman?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:21:07] Shaman?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:08] Um, I don't even know what you're talking about.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:09] It's when he says that, he says that it's like instead of. Come on. He says, like shaman.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:14] Yeah, maybe that's the alien language. There you go. Thank you, Dwayne, for helping, I appreciate that.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:21:19] What's that mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:20] Like, come On. But he says it funny.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:21:22] Come on.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:23] Come on. Which I, I don't know, only Michael Jackson could get away with saying shaman.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:21:27] Doesn't he say.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:29] And mama say. Mr. Amakusa. That was probably some message. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:32] Alien. It was an alien.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:34] Yes, yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:35] Oh, gosh.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:36] So, wait, did the real Michael Jackson die or the alien one? And did. And where is the real Michael Jackson?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:41] He loved the world outside. He loved the universe. He never came back. He just. He just had to leave.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:46] Oh, because there's no Joe Jackson there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:48] Yeah, exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:48] Maybe he'll come back now because Joe Jackson passed away.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:51] Yeah. I mean, if John F Kennedy Jr could come back, right, with the whole QAnon thing, then why can't Michael.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:57] Very possible. Very possible. Okay, now for my theory. All right. It is that he was chemically castrated. That's that's my theory. He was. But not with what you think. Like it wasn't like a drug or anything like that. I, I think it was some sort of, like, a natural type of chemical castration because there are, um, certain, like, herbs and things that I know as a woman that I can take that would mess with my hormones, that would, like, boost my hormones or whatever. So I think Joe Jackson used something like that, like some kind of a berry. Oh, God, I forgot what it's called. It's like a I know, like Rishi Berry, I don't know, but one of those weird berries you get at Whole Foods and, uh, I think he gave it to him as some kind of a tea, but it's like, poisonous over time that it does, like, hurt your body. So I think that, like, affected his sanity. And it made his voice higher, but it also damaged his brain because it's like, yeah, it's like a poison over time. And I also think that Freddie Mercury died of the same thing. Freddie Mercury took it and made his voice higher. But then, you know, when he got Aids, it made everything. Like he probably declined even more rapidly because he'd been taking this thing. So it's just we don't know what it is, but it's some kind of an herbal remedy that messes with your puberty and your mind, and it can make you go crazy, or it can make you die of Aids, but it makes your voice awesome. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:21] Well, yeah, it can. It can expedite the if you have Aids. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:24] If You have Aids. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:27] Expedite okay.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:23:28] Then Freddie Mercury had like the extra set of teeth or something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:32] Well like a Like a shark like multiple rows.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:35] That supposedly helped his vocal.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:23:37] It's supposed to help him have.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:39] Yeah. Like he had like more uh resonance. Um maybe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:44] Maybe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:45] I still think he had that because you can have extra teeth and that could help with your resonance, but your range is a whole other thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:50] All right. Michelle, what's your theory?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:23:52] I don't know, like, I think Michael Jackson had didn't have a chemical castration, but he had like a how do you call those like the plasma shot. Is that plasma placebo shots. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:05] Okay. Placebo.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:24:06] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:07] Placebo. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:24:08] His dad told him I am going to chemically castrate you. And then Michael Jackson. Oh, I don't know. And he just his voice just got higher and higher.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:22] Interesting.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:22] Almost like hypnosis. Really. Like, he, like, almost like, hypnotized him with fear. 

Michelle Malzaki: [00:24:27] That Joe Has that little, I don't know, whip in his hand. Michael would do anything. I think that's what happened. That's why when he died, everything turned out he was just a one regular man. But he told himself he's chemically castrated.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:44] But that's very similar to a Dwayne's, except with the with the placebo part.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:47] Right, right, right. I like I like it, you know, but I've, I've seen on YouTube I just want to throw this out there several different, you know, stars like singing stars who have met Michael Jackson. They all claim his voice wasn't really that high when people weren't around.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:25:01] Oh,

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:01] That's Almost weird because like, in the interviews, like, every time I hear his voice, like when I think of his voice in my head, even when he's just talking to people, he's like, and. Yeah, and and Pepsi Cola and, uh, stop the world. Like it's very.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:16] It's like the Theranos lady.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:17] It's like the opposite of Elizabeth Holmes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:19] Yeah. Because she was like, oh, mama, I'm a billionaire. Like,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:25] Right.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:25:26] So it's all fake.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:27] It's all fake,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:28] Right? But, but but you're saying Michael Jackson thought he was chemically castrated, though, because of the placebo?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:25:33] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:33] And then his body. Just interesting. Interesting. Yeah.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:25:36] But then, like, he knew his voice was not high in, you know, because that's when he talks to himself on a mirror. Hey, I'm getting ready for the concert. I'm getting. I'm ready. And then like, oh, no, my voice high, high, high. You know, he had to adjust it right before he goes to the stage.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:54] Right? Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:56] All right. So now we're at the point in the show where we need to pick the unofficial official story, one that will answer the question. So what do you guys think? Which story should we go with. Let's vote.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:07] Well I have a feeling that mine's not going to get chosen because two of them are pretty similar. But I'm just going to say I mean aliens alien makes the most sense out of all of them. I mean. If we do Occam's Razor, which is like, you know, the idea that the simplest answer is usually the best answer, then the simplest answer is that alien? It's just he was replaced by an alien. That's just one thing. Whereas Dwayne and. Michelle and cat yours. They're all like, you have to have multiple things that have had to happen in order for it to work, whereas mine is just one thing. It's just aliens. So it's much simpler.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:38] Yeah, just aliens undetected. So that's the other part of,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:42] You know, just aliens. Yeah. Yeah, I know it. It's detected. I figured it out, so.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:47] Right, right. Well, you know, what's interesting is that mine and, uh, Michelle's are similar, and I really, really, really, really like Michelle's. I like the placebo angle, but I think I would have to go with Cat's only because his singing voice at least stayed really, really high. And I would like to think that the chemical castration would not completely, um, give him a pass, but at least would explain some of the other crazy behavior. You know what I mean? It wouldn't give him, like, indemnity or whatever, but it would explain some of the other behavior. So I think, uh, Occam's razor, that is Cat's, that. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:19] It's a weird drug. Like a weird herbal suppliment.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:22] Yeah. Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:22] That messed everything up.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:23] Well. Oh, no, I see that's yours. Maybe not that, but he he was cash. No no no no, because I'm saying he was chemically castrated.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:32] Castrated? Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:33] Maybe maybe it was herbs. Maybe it was this, this new medicine that just came out. So I think Cat's is the the one that touches that. Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:41] Yeah. Because I feel like mine. Mine is like neither. It's like. Yeah, but not what the guy thinks. Not like official chemical castration.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:47] Right, right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:48] The DIY kind.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:49] But the score right now is 1 to 1.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:27:51] And like Koji's because I love aliens. Because I used to be one. Hey.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:03] All right. So it's 2 to 1 Cat.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:05] Oh, I get to be the tiebreaker. No, uh, no, no, I'm not a tiebreaker. I get I can be a tie maker if I vote for my own. And then who will break the tie if I do that? Just kidding. I I'm gonna vote for Dwayne's, actually, because I do think that, like, Joe could have scared the crap out of him to the point where he just, like, thought he was chemically castrated. It's, like, convinced him, which is a lot like Michelle's.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:30] Basically, it's alien, though. That's two votes for alien.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:33] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:34] So it's alien? Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:35] It's alien. So, see, we didn't have to go through that part. We could just start.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:38] You gotta just skipped mine. That's fine.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:41] Yeah. That's great. Thank you I appreciate I appreciate guys, I knew before we started recording that that my theory was going to be the theory.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:47] So did you guys team Up beforehand to be like, okay, it's aliens, it's alien. You're gonna vote for mine.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:53] Collusion.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:54] I knew Michelle was an alien. No, I'm just kidding.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:57] But given Michael Jackson and all the craziness, alien is not even that crazy. You know, when you write, you know, you think of all the things that the look, the hanging and the babies over the balcony, all that kind of stuff.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:10] He's just so Strange. He's such a strange man. Like there is something. Either he took something or he is an alien, but he is not a normal person.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:29:20] And just one glove. And he's not playing golf.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:23] Yeah. That's true.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:26] And that's you guys is the official story. We'll take another break, and when we return, we'll delve into the biggest conspiracy theory surrounding the King of Pop. Yeah, an even bigger one. Oh, my.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:40] Michelle. Let's talk about the show real quick. The show is called Japanese America with the Japanese American National Museum. Michelle and I are going to be the host. We're going to look at all things Japanese American, Asian American, Asian and Japan Japanese. And we're going to, you know, have fun. It's going to be this. It's going to be very much like This American Life. So by the time this show comes out, it won't be out yet. But keep your eye out for it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:01] With Michael Jackson being famous as he is, it's no surprise that there are a number of theories surrounding his death. Some say that he faked it, while others claim that he was murdered by a plot concocted by his business advisors and doctors. So what do you guys think was Michael Jackson's death plan?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:16] Yes. No. Maybe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:20] You covered all the bases. Cat. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:23] Gut instinct. Gut instinct. Yes. I totally see that being possible. Like, is there insurance money potentially. This was before the Oprah thing came. The like all the child molestation things got worse and worse and worse. Um, so it's possible that if there was anyone that stood to, like, inherit any money, they maybe wanted to stem the flow and have him die before that money completely disappeared from damages and lawsuits being paid out. So I definitely think there is motive for having him killed.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:54] Yeah. You know, his thing, he was obviously he was getting ready for a show like a big, big, big show. He was practicing at the Staples Center. Like when you practice at the Staples Center, do you know how massive you have to be as a person? Not in a basement. He was practicing at the Staples Center, and he he had sold out Wembley Stadium like over 20 consecutive nights, Wembley Stadium. So it's hard to think that like, the timing is so crazy, you know? But I don't think the doctor would have been involved. I think the doctor probably got duped, you know, maybe some someone switched the amount on him.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:28] You know, like in Knives Out where like he doesn't know what he's administering. And it was like a higher.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:33] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:33] Higher concentration.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:35] And the Jacksons were notorious for not paying people. So even though I think, I think I don't know if the insurance money, I think you still want to do those 20 shows, but it's very suspicious to me.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:45] I mean, he Had enough money. It wasn't about I mean, he wouldn't need those 20 shows. He was super. I mean, he owns the Beatles catalog, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:51] Right. And that's that's another thing. Some people think that's another reason why. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:55] That It would have been like Paul McCartney was.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:58] Like John Lennon.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:59] No. Just some, some body or entity that had a problem with him owning it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:04] You know, actually we asked Michelle. We could ask Michelle. Michelle, was it Yoko Ono? Do you know Yoko Ono personally?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:32:09] Yeah. No, Yoko. I mean, I know her, but I don't know her.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:12] No. You know her personally. Was she involved in the this whole Michael Jackson thing?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:32:16] I am not sure, but, I mean, Michael Jackson wasn't poor, but post-humanist, I have to say that, like, after his death.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:26] Yeah, that's right.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:32:27] His estate multiplied like, he like he's got so much money after his death, so it's kind of suspicious. But I think the timing was like ill timed, but like, I think there are so many parties involved that who wanted to draw money from him. And I think one party might have something to do with his death at that timing, because like other group of people, they wanted that concert to go well and end and make all that money from.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:59] It's got to be a specific person, I think like 1 or 2 specific people who plotted it. It's not going to be a big amount because it's really hard for people to for a lot of people to coordinate and keep a secret, especially because once there's evidence that they're that one is guilty, then they'll flip on everybody else. That's just how it goes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:18] To sell out Wembley Stadium, Wembley. I don't know how many it holds, but it's it's an excess of 50,000. Right. Probably even on if it's 40,000. But let's say it's 50,000 times and this is England. So could be $200 per ticket. It could be more 20 times. So if let's say if one person got cut out of that deal somehow, then that person would have all the motive in the world to just just try to, like, not see these other people make a fortune that he or she wasn't going to be a part of, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:48] Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:48] So basically I mean he of course there's conspiracy. I mean we've already decided he was an alien. Right. So.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:54] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:54] We, we all know that there's only a certain amount of time that the alien that, you know, an alien could be act like a human or things go really wrong. So this was just his time.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:03] So it's like the alien space people. The mothership was like, he's going off the rails. We got to get him. We got to collect him.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:10] Yeah. And things were falling apart. And, yeah, everything was just. It just wasn't working.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:14] His his human skin suit was getting all discolored and weird.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:18] Yeah, that's. What that's what happens. Dwayne Dwayne. Why don't you tell us about that experience?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:23] Um. The other possibility is this. It's kind of like. And I don't I don't want to. This is a little crazy when I'm about to say, like, Jay-Z has a sneaker, right? And they claim when it came out, whenever it was a few years ago, many years ago, it was like, oh, it's the. Most popular sneaker. This, this this. I only personally knew one person that had them. And I'm I'm a I'm a hip hop guy. So like, was it the top selling. You know what I mean? So what if they didn't sell out Wembley Stadium 50 times like, but they said they did to get an insurance policy that was that high. And then you kill Michael Jackson, you collect the insurance.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:59] Um, so. You could actually have bots because they do. And I think in 2009, it was still possible you could have an operation where you had or like a bunch of people in India with different accounts, uh, you know, just like bot farming, buying the tickets over and over and over again from an account that can or you can. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:18] Just lie. But yeah, you can do that as well. You can.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:21] You can Fully do it such that, you know, people investigate it and they see like, yeah, these are verifiable transactions. You can even route it through IPs all around the world so that they still seem like they're geographically located. All of this is completely possible,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:36] Right? And then you refund all that money because now the insurance and then you basically not really refunding it because.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:35:43] Yeah. But what if the propofol was placebo too.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:47] Oh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:50] And so then he just died. He because he believed it so much.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:54] But that's good because basically he's so vulnerable and suggestible to placebo that first his voice doesn't change. And then he died because he was like he would that would make him a great artist if he could feel on that level. You know. I mean, he was a great artist, obviously.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:12] Yeah, he was a great.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:13] Well, thank you, Michelle, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:36:18] Oh, I am on Instagram Malazaki and TikTok same Malazaki Venmo and Malazaki and YouTube Malazaki. Oh my God,

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:28] Can you spell That for us?

Michelle Malzaki: [00:36:30] It's m as in Mary m a l as in lion I z as in zebra Aki.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:38] Okay. MalazAki. Exactly how it sounds.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:36:41] Well, thank you For having me on. It was fun. So much Fun.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:44] And thank you guys all so much for listening. There are almost 3 million podcasts out there, and we're honored you've chosen ours to listen to. Please check out our website, unofficial Official Story Com for our show notes, or to hear our past episodes. And be sure to follow us on Instagram and TikTok. Uh, be sure to come back next month where we'll answer the question Did hallmark create Valentine's Day to sell cards?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:10] Is they're a hallmark still? I guess I should have checked this out, but there still is. Oh,

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:14] There's A Hallmark channel.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:16] They have a TV station? Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:17] When's the last time you guys sent cards to somebody? I don't know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:20] I Got a card from you today.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:22] Oh. You did? Oh, well, you got my Christmas card.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:24] I got the Christmas card. Thank you. Koji. Yes. So but typically I don't. Yes,

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:28] I bought Some cards and then I never sent them. I just have the empty cards on my desk because I'm like, why am I gonna.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:34] I send birthday? I give birthday cards if I'm going to a party and I sometimes send thank you cards. I used to give out movie tickets as thank you. I don't know if that's still a thing, but, you know, I used to give out movie passes like, hey, thank you for whatever you did. Here's two movie passes. You know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:47] I've never got one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:48] I got you, Koji. Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:52] All right, guys, thank you guys so much. Thank you Michelle. Thank you everyone, for listening. Bye.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:56] Bye everyone.

Michelle Malzaki: [00:37:57] Bye.