S3E5 Stairway to Hell Saved By the Bell & the Illuminati with Jennifer Field

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:04] Welcome, welcome, Welcome, everybody. This is season three episode number five of the unofficial official story. I'm Cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:12] I'm Dwayne.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:13] And I'm Koji.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:14] Well, this is where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime. And by the end we'll tell you what really maybe happened in this episode we're asking was saved by the bell of vehicle for the Illuminati.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:30] Doo doo doo. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:31] Dun dun dun.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:32] Gasp.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:33] But first, let's introduce our guest actor, former host of the unofficial official story and friend of the podcast, Jennifer Field. She's with us.

Jennifer Field: [00:00:43] What? Oh, my God.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:44] Old stomping grounds.

Jennifer Field: [00:00:45] Dude, it's like, almost like no time is passed. It's like, Wait, what?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:49] Jennifer Field is a California native born and raised in the San Francisco Bay area. Yay area. After winning Miss Asian America and earning her bachelor's in theater, she made her way down to Los Angeles with no savings to speak of, a connection to work at a nightclub and the determination to make her attorney father and immigrant mother proud. With training that ranges from the Groundlings to Marin Shakespeare Company, Jennifer has a wide range of as an actress. She started immersing herself in acting as a child with training in dance and voice, and worked with her local community theaters as an experienced news reporter and host. She recently co-hosted the Unofficial Official Story podcast two Seasons.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:29] That's a credit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:31] Jennifer is fresh off her run as the notorious assistant DA, Jennifer Arden, on ABC's General Hospital. What?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:38] You were actually. Jennifer. Jennifer. Jennifer Oh,

Jennifer Field: [00:01:40] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:40] That makes it so much easier. Yeah. Other recent credits include a co-star role on Station 19 ABC and recurring roles in the Primetime Emmy and Peabody Award winning series Artificial on Twitch, The Old Man on FX and Roswell, New Mexico. Roswell, That sounds right up our alley. Her proudest achievement to date, though, has been raising her ten year old son.

Jennifer Field: [00:02:02] Yay!

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:03] And and being on the podcast. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:04] And being on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:02:05] I mean, that's the biggest. That's going on my tombstone.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:08] Yes. All right. How are you, Jennifer?

Jennifer Field: [00:02:10] I'm good. I just realized that bio is so long. It's really long, dude. You should have cut it below like Koji. You should have cut it for me. Yeah. So. Wow, that was weird to kind of hear it the other way around, But I did say I wanted to be back, so it's nice to be back seeing you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:25] Great seeing you.

Jennifer Field: [00:02:25] Yeah. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:26] And you know, what about the podcast? I mean, the bio. It's a little long, but I heard a comment shout out to her name. I'll get her name in a second. But she was on stage and she said something that a phrase I never heard before, but it was like achievement. What do you call it when you forget things?

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:43] Achievement, amnesia.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:44] Yes, yes, yes. I know that I wasn't trying to be funny, but yeah. Achievement.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:50] It was a senior moment.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:51] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:52] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:52] Achievement, amnesia, which I thought, wow, that's a great term because. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:56] You just had amnesia. Amnesia

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:57] Yeah. Had amnesia. Amnesia.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:59] What's worse? What's worse is when it's like you're on an interview or some kind of thing on stage and they read a bio from Wikipedia that's like ten years old. Or five years old. Maybe not. Yeah, because you're ten years old, But. But, like, mean Dwayne probably had this where, like, people read like this. I'm like, wait, this is from like, 15 years ago. You're not talking about anything like that. I've done in like last like 15 years. It's kind of crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:20] Exactly. And it's Melanie Hill said that. And I just thought, what a great term because that's that's a very something to easily suffer from in our business because you're always striving for the next thing.

Jennifer Field: [00:03:33] Achievement.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:33] Yeah. 

Jennifer Field: [00:03:33] Amnesia.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:34] Amnesia,

Jennifer Field: [00:03:34] Which is forgetting. About how far. You've come. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:36] And what you've done. And that's why I'm glad Koji has the posters in his studio because it's like, you know, you got to remind yourself sometimes, you know? And I meant to say Melinda Hill I'm my my brain. I'm having so much, so many senior moments.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:47] Yes. There is a picture of Dwayne Perkins on the wall here.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:50] Oh, yeah, that's my favorite one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:53] That's take note which Koji produced, helped with me with that and had a good run and it's people still talk about it to this day.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:01] Nice.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:01] Yeah they took they took note.

Jennifer Field: [00:04:03] A long. Time ago.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:03] It's a Special. Yes special.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:05] They took note of it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:06] They took note of it. So anyway, Jennifer so don't don't suffer from that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:10] What are you doing this summer?

Jennifer Field: [00:04:11] We have a bunch of vacations coming up.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:13] Where are you going?

Jennifer Field: [00:04:14] We're going to actually Yosemite and Sequoia this Friday. I haven't been to Yosemite since I was a kid because isn't it like super crowded over there?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:22] Yeah,

Jennifer Field: [00:04:22] Because. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:23] I've Heard it's like the 101. It's like the 101 right now. That's what they said.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:26] Oh, wow. This time of year.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:27] Yeah. Because it's so hard to get in and out.

Jennifer Field: [00:04:30] Okay. I don't know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:30] I went I went a couple years ago to Zion National Park and it's like Disneyland. There is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:36] Utah. Is that Utah or. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:39] Utah

Jennifer Field: [00:04:39] It didn't used to be that way. I think since Instagram and since Covid.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:43] Oh yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:43] It is very Instagramable. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:45] And YouTube. Like everyone's I was overseas and I went to a spot and it was like it was like I was in Alhambra. No, because everyone was Asian and it was like fish soup.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:56] So you hate Asian people?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:57] No, no. I mean, I was there myself. Right? But it just was like, what is this? You know what I mean? Yeah. So and that's the YouTube, I think, sort of effect. Yeah. Because everyone's sort of like, plugged into the same influencers, you know? Right. Yeah, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:12] When I was a kid and we do family vacations, I'd take pictures of the people taking pictures.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:18] Nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:18] And my mom would be so because back then you'd have to like it was like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:21] She wouldn't. She wouldn't know. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:22] You had to Go get it like developed. It cost money. And she'd just be like, why are there like four rolls? So just other people taking pictures. That's and I loved it because but like, my mom was like, I'm never developing pictures ever again because it's like there'd be like zero family pictures and all like random family taking pictures of the Grand Canyon and you don't even see the Grand Canyon, right? You just saw the people taking the pictures of the Grand Canyon.

Jennifer Field: [00:05:44] Oh, my Gosh, Dude. I guess here's something to that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:48] You were ahead of your time. It was like two girls in one cup. Reaction videos or something. Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:53] All right. Should we get started then?

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:55] Yes, let's do it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:56] Okay. So before we get into it, I want to mention that my summer intern, Daryn Schvimmer, wrote this episode, though. Thank you, Daryn. And Daryn is my college intern as opposed to my high school intern this time.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:06] Oh, very nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:06] Okay. All right. Let's get the story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:11] Let's do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:11] So was Saved by the Bell, a beloved 90s sitcom about six high school teens, a vehicle for the satanic ambitions of the elusive Illuminati. What. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:20] do do do

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:21] First, let's start with a quick synopsis of what exactly was saved by the bell about, you know, by the way, this is where I guess. Is anytime to give a little bit of disclaimer here. I actually just met Mario Lopez. I worked with him two days on a game show. He was pretty cool, didn't try to recruit me or anything, so I don't know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:41] That's So you say.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:42] That's probably going to affect what I say because I'm working with him again. Actually, he did a great job. He's no, listen, you know, he's good with the teleprompter because of all the Access Hollywood stuff. But he's also amazing just with on the fly in the moment, like he's he's locked in. He's really good. And I'm a comic. So when I when I work with actors, I don't expect them to be that good. But he's he's tremendous shout out to him so. Well let's get into it. According to IMDb, Saved by the Bell is a sitcom about a close-knit group of six friends getting through their teens together while attending Bayside High School in Palisades, California. Palisades Is that a real place?

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:22] Yeah, it's really pretty. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:23] Because it's Palisades, New Jersey. Anyway, the six teens consist of mischievous ringleader Zack Morris played by Mark-paul Gosselaar. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:32] Gosselaar.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:34] I never said his last name. Nerdy Samuel Screech Powers played by Dustin Diamond Jockish Army Brat, AC Slater, played by Mario Lopez, Popular girl Kelly Kapowski played by Tiffani Thiessen, a rich girl. Lisa Tuttle, played by Lark Voorhies and childhood friend Jessie Spano, played by Elizabeth Berkley. The former five appeared in every episode of the series with Berkley's character of Jessie Spano being the outlier, appearing in 75 of the 86 episodes of the show.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:04] I'm going to make a confession myself. I've never I never watched any part of this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:08] I've seen it a little bit. I've never watched as much as I don't I don't I don't think I've watched every episode, but I've seen it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:13] I've watched only like a few episodes when I was seven and that's it. So I barely remember the show. I think. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:19] That's funny. You were too young. I was too old to watch it. Yeah. Like, what is this mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:23] The only the only thing I think I remember is being like, Tiffany is really cute.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:26] I remember her being pretty and thought Zack Morris was handsome. And then Mario Lopez was handsome.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:30] I wasn't watching for those two guys, though. Really? I mean. Right. Well, Jennifer, this is like your favorite show, right?

Jennifer Field: [00:08:35] Well. It isn't, but it's funny, but it's one of the few where I watch, like, every episode.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:40] Well, that's why We have you

Jennifer Field: [00:08:41] Yeah. I mean, like, here, I didn't really, I guess. Yeah. I was like, why did you. Why did Koji ask me?

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:47] You're a Subject matter Expert.

Jennifer Field: [00:08:49] I don't know. I, like, watched. I don't even know why I was watching it. It must have been the time that it was on.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:53] If you watched every episode, you are a subject matter expert.

Jennifer Field: [00:08:56] Yeah. And I'm, like, trying to remember. And then I was like, Oh, it was only on for a couple of years because it felt like it was always on, but it was syndicated.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:03] Yeah. And also full disclosure, I kind of somehow met the producer, Peter Engel, a few times, actually, because he did some kind of comedy reality show. So I met him there and then I would run into him a lot like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:14] Were you naked.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:15] Or. No, no, no. I did like, not the Beverly Center, but the other one in in Century City,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:20] The Bath house.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:20] The Century City. No, the mall in Century City.

Jennifer Field: [00:09:25] Westfield.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would go there to the movies. I think I ran into him there once and someplace else. And I like, Hey, Peter. And he kind of remembered me. So yeah, I wouldn't say we're friends or anything, but I've met him a few times as well.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:37] Mm hmm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:38] Well, what was it about the show that that made you watch it all the time?

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:41] Because you could Have watched something else, like music videos or.

Jennifer Field: [00:09:44] Yeah, and I. And I. I mean, trust me, I watched plenty of other things. It wasn't like my favorite. Like I said, it wasn't my favorite show. There was other things I watched, but like, I think it just had to do with like the time it was on. And it's possible that I was watching it on. Some of it was when it was syndicated after it was on air. But those were the years I would have watched it I think. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:02] That says something about like why people watch things back then because it was just linear TV format. So you watch what was on at the time that you were able to watch TV. It was like, that was the window.

Jennifer Field: [00:10:12] I was forced to watch it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:14] And you picked the best thing that was on at that exact time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:17] I mean. For me, I remember when I watched it, I was all like, This is because I grew up in neighborhoods that were all Asian and Asian. And I was like, Is this what white schools are like? Because I'd never been to a School where like,

Jennifer Field: [00:10:27] Oh, I Know,

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:27] Where are you From?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:28] I'm from I'm from the San Gabriel Valley.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:30] The San Gabriel. Oh, So it's like it's so Asian. There's not a lot of white people. I didn't know that About you

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:35] so it was crazy. I was like, Oh, is that like. Is that what they talk about? Is that what they out there, what they were like? Because I was like, I'm like, I've never had these interactions.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:42] A lot of drama.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:43] Yeah, it was like weird. I was like, Oh wow, that's very adult, like, you know, like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:47] And and it's crazy. My high school experience was similar. Like I went to school with all types of people. But in New York, it's like, like I love the Breakfast Club, but I don't relate to that. Like, you know, like jocks and and this and that and the losers and the burnouts. Everyone's everything in New York. Like you get on the train, you go to school, you go home and like, the loser could stab you, you know, like everyone. No one is to be toyed with. No one is to be messed with. And yeah, no one clicks up like that a little bit, but like, didn't even have a football team.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:16] I mean, I think the clicks are less now in schools.

Jennifer Field: [00:11:19] Yeah. Okay, good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:20] I think clicks are less of a thing. I went to a huge school like one of these where the graduating class is still like 1200 people.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:25] Oh, wow.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:26] Our graduation was insane. It was like four hours long. It was. She's wild. But yeah, we didn't really have an in group or anything like that. It was just like a massive amount of people and it's just like you are friends with whoever you knew. Like if you manage to know people and there are people who I went to school with who I meet now and we went to school together. Yeah. I never met you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:45] Wow. Yeah, I went to a small school, but everyone lives in different neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:49] And kids now think you could be in, like, an anime group and play football.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:53] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:53] Whereas, like, like, well, I don't know when you went to school. Dwayne, but like, when I was in school, it was super cliquey.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:59] I went to a small school, so maybe that's how I got around it. But I like played on the basketball team. But I was also in most of the nerdy classes. I exchanged computer games with guys, so I was all over the place.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:10] I think I was a Jock, you guys. I think I was a track and field jock. All my friends were track and field cross-country people. That was me. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:16] Nice. 

Jennifer Field: [00:12:17] Were you a tom boy

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:18] You betrayed them now.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:18] Kind of a tomboy. Yeah, I'd say I had no fashion sense and I still barely do.

Jennifer Field: [00:12:24] Well, did you wear makeup or no makeup in high school? That's a good like. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:27] Mascara. That was. 

Jennifer Field: [00:12:28] That was it? Oh, okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:30] Mascara. I wore mostly like running shoes with my pants. And I did not wear skinny jeans until senior year. Like, I definitely needed like a she's all that style situation and I never got it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:39] Dwayne  Did you wear makeup? Dwayne. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:40] I did not wear makeup, no.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:42] And I didn't wear makeup either, so I guess we're in the same crew. All right. According to Wikipedia, Saved by the Bell was named one of the best school shows of all time by AOL TV. That's where I get all my news from and has been classified as educational and informational. While most lighthearted, the show touched on subjects like women's rights, drug use, the environment and remarriage, amongst other issues.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:02] Remember when remarriage was an issue?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:04] Yeah, it used to be an issue. Yeah. Yes. The show ran from 1989 to 1993. It was a flagship series for the NBC Entertainment Network.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:11] So how could this wholesome and beloved show be suspected as a vessel for Satanic messages? A number of eclectic conspiracies, all compiled and linked in a Prezi made by user Megan Irwin cites them as such.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:28] Can I just say our sources are getting better and better?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:33] Yeah. Last episode was punky,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:35] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:35] Right. What is happening. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:37] This is a Prezi presentation,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:38] Right? 

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:39] This is what college students are saying. This is Gen Z, the voice of Gen Z You guys

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:43] To be clear, though, I mean, to put a Prezi together, it probably takes more than to, like, copy an article from somebody.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:48] I gotcha you.

Jennifer Field: [00:13:49] Wait, what's a Prezi.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:51] Online presentations that you could watch or you could like they're like PowerPoints, basically.

Jennifer Field: [00:13:55] Oh.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:56] I think we need to have a talk with your interns. All right. The main character, Zack Morris, is accepted into Yale with a, quote, average SAT score of 1500 hundred. Well, this was before. Yeah, when SAT. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:11] 1600 was the...

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:12] Up to 1600. Yeah, because Yale is such a strict school. And the fact that one of Yale's secret student societies, Skull and Bones, is suspected of having Illuminati ties, this gave a connection to Saved by the Bell and the Illuminati. What?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:25] That is a leap.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:26] Week? Yeah, that's a week. So weak. So weak. This is according to the Wikipedia page for the Skull and Bones Society. Wikipedia a great resource. The group Skull and Bones is featured in books and movies which claim that the society plays a role in a global conspiracy for world control. There have been rumors that Skull and Bones is a branch of the Illuminati, and having been founded by German university alumni following the order's suppression in their native land by Karl Theodor, Elector of Bavaria, with the support of Frederick the great of Prussia. Or that the Skull and Bones itself controls the CIA. What? That's a handful.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:01] That's a Lot. I don't even know what to make of that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:03] That's a lot,

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:04] I think. I think your intern needs to edit more.

Jennifer Field: [00:15:07] I think people are just bored. Yeah. Free time on their hands.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:09] It's kind of like it's a college thing and it's like in between keggers. They're also controlling the world. It's just Anyway.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:15] I think people are really overestimating or underestimating how complicated the world is to control. Yeah. Wow.

Jennifer Field: [00:15:23] Right, Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:24] Mark-paul Gosselaar was involved in a death hoax in 1993 where it was falsely claimed that he died in a car crash. This was connected to the actor Paul Walker, who died in a car crash in 2016, which was, what, 20? Seven years later with conspiracies that the two I'm bad at math is that seven I don't know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:44] It's 23.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:45] 23 years later with conspiracies that the two were somehow connected. Oh yeah. Because random car accidents are connected inexplicably to car accidents. Connected. Okay. As Paul Walker was in the aforementioned Skull and Bones Society in his movie The Skulls. You mean in a fictional movie?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:03] I believe, that was a documentary.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:06] Which depicts a society's dubious and shrouded in deceit and conspiracy, participating in cover ups and murder. Can I just say, you know, me and Jennifer both have two eyes and have both been on this podcast. We are the same person. Just going based off of this logic, you could just take anything with two things in common and now they're connected and satanic. Apparently. 

Jennifer Field: [00:16:29] That was deep. That was deep.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:30] It was deep. Okay. The imagery around the show, which included a picture of the main cast with Marc Voorhees making this six, six, six hand sign where you connect your thumb and pointer finger with the other three fingers up the triangle of manifestation appearing in the background of some shots. Maybe it's just a triangle because those happen and three six is allegedly being hidden on the cover art for the soundtrack. Those three sixes are the spirals on the soundtrack. Two in the center, one partially cut off by the top of the cover art. I guess what this is saying is that these images suggest the Satanic ties. And finally, the theme song. While simple and catchy, it's suspected of having hidden messages. A video by the YouTube channel, Lord Belding has the theme song played forwards and backwards, and when played backward, the audio can be heard in interpreted as Man, I miss my Satan. We are all saved.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:26] You guys want to listen to the song or do you?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:27] I absolutely want to hear it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:28] Let's listen.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:28] Yeah. Here you go.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:59] I miss my Satan. We're all saved.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:02] Yeah. You know, here's the thing.

Jennifer Field: [00:18:03] That's a Stretch.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:04] That's a Stretch.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:04] I do kind of hear it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:05] Yeah, I do. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:06] I Hear It, but.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:08] But everything she said now.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:11] But two things. They always talk about this, but does your brain hear a song backwards like. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:17] I do

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:18] You do?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:18] Yeah, I'm Asian. Everything's you know, we could hear backwards and forward.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:22] Do you read? Left to right. I'm trying to understand.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:24] Yeah. Because in Asian we we right to left backwards and up and down.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:29] I don't think I don't think my brain. Two things. Two things. I don't think. My Brain doesn't process a song backwards. But two, I'm just convinced every song backwards is mentioned Satan like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:41] Oh you mean there's a lot of like Led Zeppelin songs that have that in there? But here's the thing. If it was, in theory, worshiping Satan, like with this specific song, that doesn't make any of the rest of it valid. Like the the car crash is still a really shitty connection at the Skull and Bones Society for a fake character like that part. Also not not at all relevant or.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:06] Well, you. Know, I think.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:07] Of anything.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:08] The real interesting fact is I didn't know in my slight research I did. I didn't know this was a spin off. This show is a spin off of a of another show. So, like,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:17] I love Lucy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:17] Oh, no, no. Like, good night, Miss Bliss or something. Yeah. And so I like the theory that it was all this was all a dream Zach had. Because in the show before this show, Zach was in middle school and he was not popular. He was kind of a nerd, and he lived in Indiana. So then I guess they retooled it or they kept that character. But now he's in Cali and he's super famous. So the theory is that this is all a dream that that character had, but he's still this loser in Indiana. Oh, and there's also one that Mr. Belding killed someone and he moved to California. And he he moved three of the students.

Jennifer Field: [00:19:51] Just something that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:52] Because this is a spinoff. But it's a it's a kind of a spinoff, the 2 or 3 of the characters are from this other show. But that show was set in Indiana, and they didn't explain it. They just were in California coming.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:03] Going back to the Satan thing. I mean, that was actually funny, Cat, that you were saying that you actually heard it because I was when you watch the video, they're saying it like they have it on the screen. So I was I was like, am I hearing it or am I just reading it and then hearing it? But the.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:13] Nah I kind of Heard it,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:14] The fact that you kind of heard it made me like, oh, guess, guess. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:16] It's not just You.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:17] Yeah

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:18] but here's the thing. Psychological priming works that way, right? Like, people can be tricked into doing things. They can be hypnotized. Have you guys ever gone to a hypnotism show?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:27] Yeah

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:27] like at a comedy thing. Like, I feel like as comedians, we see hypnotists all the time. It is very like mind-bending, what hypnotists can make see.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:35] We should have played it first. And then, like blindly said, What.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:39] Would you guys? I have a test. I pulled this up and this is off-script. I'm curious if, do you guys know what it says in one of the Led Zeppelin songs When it Plays backwards? Stairway to Heaven?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:49] No. What does it say?

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:49] Okay, so if you've never heard it, it is it does have some satanic lyrics, supposedly. I'm going to play it and you tell me if you hear any words, because this is a real experiment, because you guys don't have the words in front of you. Ready? I'm going to play it.

Jennifer Field: [00:21:19] [after music plays] Oh, my God.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:33] Satan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:34] What about Satan?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:37] Is it enough that he says Satan?

Jennifer Field: [00:21:39] I'm gonna cry. I'm gonna cry right now. I'm tripping. I'm so scared. That's clear as day.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:46] That right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:47] Well, and that's weird because the song is called Stairway to Heaven, so that's. 

Jennifer Field: [00:21:50] Exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:52] But played Backwards. It's a stairway to hell.

Jennifer Field: [00:21:55] Yeah, exactly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:56] Saved by the bells. Also religious. Saved by the bell.

Jennifer Field: [00:21:58] Oh my god.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:59] Saved by the bell. Oh, that's. Yeah, but could you hear any of the other lyrics besides Satan?

Jennifer Field: [00:22:05] No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:06] You couldn't make out any other words?

Jennifer Field: [00:22:07] No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:08] And here's the thing. You were primed to listen for the word Satan. So you listened to the words for the word Satan, Right? And you knew it was going to say something about Satan because I told you it was going to say something about Satan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:19] I'm changing my answer, by the way, my theory here slowly percolating. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:24] So that's that's an example, you guys of like, priming. Yeah, of course they hurt the word Satan. But there's a whole other bunch of words you can use that started playing on its by itself.

Jennifer Field: [00:22:37] God.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:38] I don't even want to know what it says. I just want to. I just want.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:41] But there you go. So if you guys want to look up what the actual backwards lyrics are, but try listening to it backwards without looking at what the lyrics are like. Cover it up on the YouTube screen in here and see if you can make out anything because we can't.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:54] Yeah. I never listened to a Hotel California. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:57] Backwards? 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:58] No, don't listen to it, period. Like I've heard it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:00] Wait, what? Why?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:01] It's just. Just, you know, it's. It's like you're dead. You're in this hotel. I'm good. You know what I mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:06] It's too creepy of a song.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:07] You can't Check out. You check in, you can't check out. So it's like. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:09] It's supposed to be about heroin.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:11] Oh, I see. But it seems to me about, like, some sort of limbo situation. So like. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:18] It creeps you out. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:18] If You if you go like a day without talking to anyone, you know, and that that happens sometimes, right? Like by the end of the day, you're like, am I still alive? So you have to call someone to make sure they can hear you. And you're like, okay, I'm alive. I'm not just some ghost walking Around,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:31] But you do this for real.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:32] This is something Comedians experience because we. Travel so much. I feel like that's the only reason I know exactly what you're referring.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:39] I just have to talk to Someone like you can hear me. Right? And then because one day I'm going to call someone and be like, Hello,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:44] This. Is like a good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:45] Stop playing. Who is this?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:46] Make a TV show out of this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:47] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:48] Every day they call, and then one day they don't.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:50] You know, there's a movie about this. It's called The Sixth Sense.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:54] Oh, yeah. And by the way, Defending Your Life is a movie about past lives and limbo. It's a really good movie.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:00] Yeah, like that movie.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:01] I Guess we'll go on the most damning piece of evidence regarding conspiracy and hidden depravity in Saved by the Bell Environment and the Saved by the Bell Environment came from a memoir written in 2009 by cast member Dustin Diamond, aka Screech Powers in the book, Diamond has many different claims. The claims listed in a ranker article by Anne Cusano Super. These sources just rank range range from Diamond, saying he slept with over 2000 women while on the show, the other actor slept around with each other and engaged in crazy threesomes and that Mark-paul Gosselaar took steroids that were just some of the many outlandish claims by Diamond. The other cast members refuted Diamond's claims, and this book alienated him from the rest of his cast mates. Like, I'm the type of person like I don't you know, I believe in what makes most sense.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:52] I am closing this laptop.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:54] I believe in what makes the most sense. But you know, I also believe anything is possible. Right? But if you believe anything is possible, you also have to believe that. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:02] Nothing is possible.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:03] The author could have lied because, of course, according to Diamond, he just told this guy some stories and the guy just the ghostwriter just went and made all of this up. And you're thinking, well, could that happen? But then, you know, in a sports world, you hear all the time about journalists will make up stuff or they'll they'll like embellish to a point where it's basically lying. So, yeah, this guy could have wanted to sell some book and said like, you know, maybe he told him something on a level that was like a five. You know, this one flirted with that one. And then he just what he wrote was like a nine. You know what I mean?

Jennifer Field: [00:25:35] I see.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:36] And because I also read that Peter Engel, which is interesting, he he converted to Christianity. He kept the set really PC Like he ran a real tight ship. So all this didn't happen kind of on his watch. If any of it did happen and it's that means it wasn't an environment primed for that. Right. Like he kept everything really, you know, running smoothly. So I think I think it's possible that the ghostwriter took like a lot of liberties because. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:00] These People were really young, too. And even as someone like we're in the year 2023 right now, people are pretty sexually open sex-positive in the culture now. And even so, as an adult, you don't run into a lot of adults who are running around engaging in orgies just here and there all around the square.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:20] But but also, I. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:20] Only If I hang out with my burning Man peeps.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:22] People. People are.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:24] It's very Specific, right? It's like a certain kind of people who do that and not just your everyday person,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:28] But I. Think. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:29] It's still rare.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:29] Younger people now are more they're more exhibitionist, but they're less sexually experienced.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:35] Yeah. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:35] Whereas like 20 years ago or 30 years ago, people were really.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:38] Yeah, actually. So in every Generation and every. Generation.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:41] It switches.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:42] It's actually no, it's gotten, they've had less sex since the baby boomers have had more sex than anybody and it's gotten less and less.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:47] it keeps declining.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:48] Yeah. Like I was talking to my cousin and she went to Stanford in the 80s and she talked about like before you had sex with people, you had to get an Aids test because it was like so common. Like those were things that you had to do. And it was like so common and like people would just like they hooked up a lot, you know? Here I was just talking to a director who was saying there's a line item of every movie. There was a cocaine budget because they would just do cocaine, like at the craft services table. Everyone would do it.

Jennifer Field: [00:27:08] I heard that. That's crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:10] That is wild.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:10] And so, like, it's crazy because every generation, they've done less drugs,

Jennifer Field: [00:27:14] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:14] Abortions gone. Like there's been less abortions than like every every generation,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:18] Especially now.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:20] But it's Been crazy. I mean, like, well, it's not a coincidence that the generation that had so much sex and so much unwanted pregnancy is the one that like started the abortion thing. And now that they're like not doing it as much, now they're wanting abortion again, even though they were the ones that were hooking up. If you look at every drug program, it was all started by that same generation.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:37] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:38] Because they were the ones.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:38] They're all trying to get Off drugs. They're the ones. They're all trying more drugs and having sex.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:41] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:41] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:42] It's like that's it's funny anyway.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:44] But point is. Point is that these claims seem kind of ridiculous. Just like Dwayne said, Dustin Diamond did refute it. He appeared on Oprah to actually say it. So this is confirming everything you just said, that the book was ghostwritten by an author who interviewed him and then, you know, fabricated things from very minor statements and interviews. And then he appeared on Dr. Oz. And not only did he back up his previous refutation of the book, he cited the ghostwriter and then followed it up by saying that he was taken advantage of in that interview and concluded with an apology to all his classmates. The apology said, I think you're fantastic. Working with you has been one of the icons of my life, and I'm sorry this has taken advantage of me. The book and other situations I'm sure we'll talk about, But I'm sure you've experienced downfalls as well in your time. And I'm still loving you guys.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:32] Ahh. Very nice. Very nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:35] So what does ChatGPT think was saved by the Bell vehicle for the Illuminati?

Chat GPT: [00:28:39] No, there is no credible evidence to suggest that the TV show Saved by the Bell was a vehicle for the Illuminati. The Illuminati is a conspiracy theory that alleges the existence of a secret society that supposedly controls world events and manipulates governments and institutions. However, there is no verifiable proof that the Illuminati exists or that it uses popular media as a means of conveying hidden messages or agendas. Saved by the Bell was a popular sitcom that aired in the late 1980s and early 1990s, focusing on the lives of a group of high school students. It was primarily created as a lighthearted comedy series and not as a tool for any hidden conspiracy. It's important to critically evaluate conspiracy theories and seek reliable sources of information before accepting them as true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:27] What do you Guys think is Saved by the Bell? An elaborate ploy by the Illuminati to brainwash us. When we return, we'll put our hopefully Unpossessed heads together and figure out the truth. I Wasn't sure what was reading that right. There you go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:39] Right. Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:41] All right. Now that we've discussed the facts, let's give our theories.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:45] Well, I'm thinking something like this. I don't love talking about this stuff Only because. I'm'

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:50] Your best friends with Mario Lopez.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:52] No, no, no. I was raised by my grandmother, and she used to always say things like, you know, speak of the devil. And he appears, you know what I mean? So I don't like conjuring this stuff up, you know? But I'm not like fearful because I believe in God. God's got my back. But I think there's something it comes up so much just in general that there's something to it. I think a lot of it is whoever is the quote-unquote Illuminati, it's them sort of throwing a bunch of smokescreens out. So you never they always confuse you. It's like how the FBI will plant. They always plant someone in your organization. But I don't think I think by the time these kids were hired and everything. Could someone be grooming them? Maybe. But I don't think it's director. I don't think it's producer. You know, I think any organization you can have some nefarious person trying to sort of like nudge his or her way in. So I think that the show had nothing to do with the Illuminati. But I do think one of I think I think two people were kind of Illuminati. Either they were very low on the totem pole trying to get in and they were trying to inflict their influence, but it didn't work. I think it was the editor and the graphic designer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:02] They're just like goth. Goth, people who are trying to put Things in.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:06] And I think they were very low on the totem pole, so they really couldn't affect anything. But every now and then they snuck in something, be it graphics or be it some sort of editing thing. And and so the remnants of that gave this whole story fuel. But and they did such a bad job that they were kicked out or never let in, as it were. Or maybe they got in on their next job. So my theory is that the show had nothing to do with the Illuminati except there was a rogue graphic designer and a rogue editor who tried to sneak some of that.

Jennifer Field: [00:31:37] And that's why people Get the vibe like, Oh no, it's Illuminati because there was a little a little of it there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:43] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:43] I Get that theory. I get that theory. And you know how like sometimes people who like are not religious like to troll religious people, so they'll like throw stuff out there just to fuck with, with people who are scared of Satan. And then they're like, Oh my God, Hello Kitty Is satanic, but it's not. It's just. Fine

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:58] Wait, wait. We're doing an episode in a couple episodes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:00] Oh, nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:01] We don't know if she's. Satanic or not.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:02] Well, it's. Like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:03] Okay, okay, okay. We'll leave that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:05] It's like the Book Fountainhead. You know, there's this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:08] That's a Terrible book. Why do you keep quoting that freaking book?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:11] No, no, I don't. I don't love the book.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:12] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:13] I liked it. Well, what I don't like about it is that she takes all these pages to kind of disprove God, but she kind of proves God, but she calls it goodness, whatever. But I have issues with the book, and. And it's like a Republican.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:25] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:25] Sort of. But they I don't think it's a Republican book per se. But one thing that happens in the book is the it's Gail Wein and the head of the newspaper. He notices that he runs the newspaper. It's his newspaper. But he's he's so astute that he reads a few articles and he sees there's this phraseology that keeps popping up so he knows someone on my staff is trying to sort of like Inception the world, sort of like get this message out. And and that's what happens, right? Like he's the head of the newspaper. It's not that he chose to do it, but if one writer just keeps talking about something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:01] So there's like one satanic editor.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:03] Right, Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:04] Slash graphic designer.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:05] Anything you want to push

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:06] A couple. We'll make them a couple.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:08] Yeah. You can push at your level of influence. You can push. No one's really reviewing it. They're like, okay, fine. That's good, good, good. Go with it. You know what I mean? So,

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:17] All right, that's a theory.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:18] When I was, uh, when I was a kid and I watched exorcism or I watched The Exorcist, I remember I couldn't understand why it was scary because my family's not Judeo-Christian. Right? And I was like, I don't believe in the devil. So. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:31] Maybe she was throwing up on her head, was spinning. I don't Know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:34] I was like, But because I didn't believe it, I didn't believe in the devil. And I don't believe in possession,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:37] Right. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:38] And so I was like, this is not scary because it's not real.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:40] I see.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:41] And so I was thinking maybe that's why I'm not into Saved by the Bell. But that's not my theory. I was just kind of wondering if it is satanic, then maybe that's why I'm not into the show. Maybe that says something about Jennifer over here, but we won't say anything. Okay, so here's my theory.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:52] Okay?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:53] It's not the Illuminati because, you know, like when you like NBA trades, when you hear an NBA trade, they're talking about these crazy things. It's never it's a trade. It's always the trade. Like there's another trade that you don't see coming,

Jennifer Field: [00:34:03] Okay?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:04] It's like another player. It's another situation, another team that comes in and makes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:07] Bit of a Smokescreen kind of.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:08] Yeah, exactly. So like it's not the Illuminati, it's another group. But there has been another group and it started a long time ago, started with pamphlets and then it became books,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:17] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:17] And then it became the radio. And then it became TV. No. And then it became the Internet. There's a group of people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:23] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:23] Powerful human beings, probably male, who want to make us less intelligent.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:27] Oh,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:28] Like through mass media. And as it's gone on, they've done like they've gotten as technology has gotten better, they've gotten they've have a better chance at doing it now. Because at the beginning it was like pamphlets and they're trying to pass it out and it was like not really working.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:39] Is it the communist aka China? It's the Chinese.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:43] It could be early AI It could be It could be early AI. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:46] I like early AI, thank You.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:47] Okay. Time is a flat circle.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:49] Early AI was trying to enslave the human race through mass media and saved by the bell was an attempt along in the 90s that didn't work.

Jennifer Field: [00:34:58] But basically it's a show for dumb people.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:02] Mtv. Mtv was one, you know, like VH1 was another reality TV. Now it's like Newsmax and whatever other places, you know, punky articles and Ranker and Prezi articles and stuff like that. But yeah, so that's my theory that there is a nefarious group of individuals who use mass media to make us Dumber

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:19] to make us dumb, to, to what end though. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:21] To, to Control us.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:23] But but not the Illuminati.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:24] No, because the Illuminati is like a convenient boogeyman, like the communists are right, you know, or things like that. But. In reality, it's like it's like a powerful group. And probably the multicultural, they're probably.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:33] Almost like every superhero movie. There's like there's this dark legion of people you never heard of. They're behind the scenes, Even behind the.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:41] Behind the behind The guy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:42] Behind the behind the behind. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:44] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:45] Interesting.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:46] I think we're all on board that it's not the Illuminati here because I am also going to say it's not the Illuminati, and here's why. It's because I grew up pretty Christian, like Pentecostal Christian. And if there's one, so I know about Satan. All right, you guys. I know all about him and I know where he shows up. Right. And it's not on Saved by the Bell album covers, right? He shows up in a Ouija board pretending to be your grandma. So don't play with Ouija boards, because even if it's somebody who you think you know, talking to you on the other side of that Ouija board, it's not. It's a demon. Don't play with the Ouija board. Burn it. Burn it now.

Jennifer Field: [00:36:21] Are you for Real? Do you really believe that?

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:23] I do. I will not touch a Ouija board. I will not get a tarot card reading like my mom. She put this the fear of God in me. We do not Go to psychics.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:32] I'm with you. I won't even get a wedgie. You know what I mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:35] But no, but for real. According to the beliefs that my family has, when you play with anything paranormal, sometimes it can seem benevolent. But Satan comes through like benevolent paranormal doors. So. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:48] I. Believe in that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:49] Side story. The one of the stories about a young girl getting being being possessed is that she was like lonely. She didn't have friends, and she heard a voice in, like the vent, the air vent. And it was like a young man who sounded handsome and they became friends. But it's because she was, like, dabbling in, like, the.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:06] Ouija. Tarot Stuff. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:07] And all that stuff. And then she was like, Open up. And then all of a sudden she was hearing a voice who was really nice. And then she became friends, and then she got possessed. So,

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:14] Yeah. There you go. Don't do that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:16] Don't talk to the air vents.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:17] No, no, listen, I have A I have a friend who I think is possessed only Because. 

Jennifer Field: [00:37:22] What?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:23] No, he wasn't possessed when I met him. And then I saw him again and I was like, whoa. And then, like, I have a friend who's kind of an expert on this, and she was telling me some of the signs, and I was. Like, Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:30] Sounds like my ex.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:31] And. 

Jennifer Field: [00:37:32] This is fascinating.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:34] And like, he's a good friend. And I've had I don't punch people, but I've had the inclination to punch him a few times just to sort of get him out of it. But I'm always afraid that it's going to jump on me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:44] Oh,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:45] I'm not. I'm like, in that moment, I'd be at my weakest.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:48] You got to be careful With exorcisms because according to the Bible, if you do an exorcism, the bad spirit jumps into the closest living person who's not Saved.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:56] My neighbor is also possessed. And I'm afraid of what's going to happen when she passes away. No, no, she is. She's 100%. You know why I see her walk across the courtyard and you can't see her feet? She wears like long nightgowns.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:11] She's not possessed. She's a ghost.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:12] She looks like she's floating.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:13] Your neighbor is dead. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:14] And she can barely. She could barely walk. She could barely walk up the stairs. And then she knocks on your door like it's the feds. And you don't even know where she's getting the strength from. She's like dun, dun, dun. Dun, Dun. You're like. And I'm like, Oh, shit. It's the FEDS I don't even I'm not I don't have guns. I don't have drugs. But every time she knocks, I'm like, It's the feds. And then I open the door and it's her. And I'm like, How the fuck did you knock that hard? You know what I mean? And she's Like,

Jennifer Field: [00:38:34] She can. Barely get to the mailbox, but she.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:36] Yeah, yeah. And she's like, Your sink is leaking. And I'm like, I don't even use my sink. And then she just extorts me for like $40 every few months and I gotta. I gotta pay some plumber. Dude. I don't know.

Jennifer Field: [00:38:48] Wow. Definitely could be possessed.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:51] She could be possessed, maybe. Sure.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:53] Okay. So. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:53] The point being, if Satan wants to get you, he can get you without going through a TV show way more directly and usually will pretend to be something. Oh, I have a crazy story. Okay, so there's one some more. Like Christian lore is like. Like images. You're not really supposed to have images of Jesus or saints or those types of things. Like, those are not good to have Catholics have them. But we were not Catholic.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:17] Oh, got it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:18] Um, so we did have this one weird picture of Jesus and like, it always creeped me out. Like, it felt like the eyes were following me, which, you know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:28] Mona Lisa does that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:29] It's like the picture itself, because it's not holy. It's not good to have a picture and it's a thing. And for Jewish people to I believe they're not supposed to have pictures of God. Yeah. So. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:39] They Won't even say God's Name.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:41] They won't. They put a little dash for the. O. So the picture was in there and it was just giving me this weird feeling, like it felt like it was watching me and it felt so creeped out sleeping in this room. And then that night, I swear to God, the bed shook like the mattress. I felt the mattress shake against the bed. It wasn't an earthquake. My bed just moved and I freaked out. I got up, I took the picture and I, like, hid it deep in the closet. And I put, like, clothes on top of it. I was like, This thing will not watch me. And then I never felt creeped out again. So I don't know. That's like a dumb story. But no, that's.

Jennifer Field: [00:40:14] Crazy if your bed actually moves.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:16] My bed actually moved. I swear It did.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:18] So you're saying if we want to get possessed, we should get a picture of Jesus and put it in our.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:20] Ironically, yes, that is one way to do it. But the point is, like Satan is a deceiver. He's not going to go through a stupid TV show with sixes. Is if he can just get you regular style.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:32] Let me play devil's advocate. Sorry. Okay. Sure. You know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:35] Interesting devil's advocate.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:36] Exactly. Somebody got it. Okay. No, but, you know, like the thing about this show was that it showed like a world to people that, like, was it was very like something that people could want. Right. Right. There's these pretty Girls.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:49] That's about advertising and selling.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:51] But it's. But it's also. But it's also.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:53] Aspirational.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:53] It's aspirational. That's the word I'm looking for. Thank you. We're like so, like, if.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:57] Make you unhappy with your life.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:58] And you want. More and you want things and you want like, like possession or.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:02] Are you Buddhist? Is that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:03] No, I'm not Buddhist.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:04] Sorry for Asking.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:05] No, that's okay. No, that's racist. No, I'm just kidding. No, but, like, if I'm the devil and I want to get people, like, into, you know,

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:12] Being unhappy With their life and selling their souls.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:14] To Satan. Yeah. Like, it's kind of like. That's what, like. Like not. Not like. It's like Kardashians are the same way, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:20] Like, it starts with comparison. And comparison is the theft of happiness. So if you can start people comparing themselves to other things that are not reasonable. Then they Go down this path of, you know, never having contentment. Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:34] Never being happy. Oh, interesting. That is one way to think of it. But then That's all. All of entertainment.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:40] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:40] Instagram is therefore essentially satanic also, and ambition in general becomes satanic. Like just having any aspirations for yourself at all. Is that bad? Where do we draw the line?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:52] Yeah, right, exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:53] So I don't buy That.

Jennifer Field: [00:41:57] My theory is that there isn't actually an Illuminati, but there is a group of like elitists, like people that have. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:05] Sounds familiar

Jennifer Field: [00:42:05] you know, the 1% and they try to like, I'll, I'll talk about this later but they, they maybe try to like play into the fact like if they're trying to recruit people or like trying to exercise influence like in terms of younger people, like trying to get people to, I don't know, do their bidding or to get people to be their minions that they kind of play into that Illuminati thing possibly, but there is no official Illuminati. So there is a group of elitists that know that people think there's an Illuminati, but there isn't and but they are acting like it. And so therefore, yes, they because they are the 1% and because they're like in places of power, they can brainwash and put like themes into shows if they want. So if, say by the bell was about like, don't be promiscuous, don't use drugs, be, you know, when you do something wrong, tell you know, there's got to be a moral to the story. Right? So I feel like there are people in power like the Harvey Weinsteins and the you know, I don't know the Clintons.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:09] Maybe the Reagans. Who knows? They could be Republican. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:11] Bushes.

Jennifer Field: [00:43:11] Yeah. Anybody. Yeah. And they can influence the entertainment that we consume. So it's possible that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:18] You know, it's funny you say that because there was a movie was it called like The Storks or something, and it came out like kind of five, six years ago. It was really cute. And I watched and at the end I was like, Why do I want to have a baby Now I'm watching the credits. And one of the executive producers of this movie was someone from Trump's cabinet. I forget his name.

Jennifer Field: [00:43:39] Interesting.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:40] Yeah. Mnuchin. 

Jennifer Field: [00:43:41] See a powerful person. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:43] When we talk About influence, the only thing is that it's a slippery slope because we got to talk both ways, right? Like we got to say, if something influenced you to have a baby per se, can something influence you to, you know,

Jennifer Field: [00:43:55] Yeah. Do something.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:56] Or double check your orientation or something like, I'm not saying it can. But.

Jennifer Field: [00:44:00] Right, right, right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:01] If once you say one thing, you open it up for everything. It's like if you lie on the court, if you lie, they thought your whole testimony. Right. So you just can't have it both ways, you know what I mean? So I'm not saying I'm just saying I like that theory. But what I guess the question is, what are they trying to influence us to do? Or other than be be dumb or buy things? Does it go even further?

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:21] And I would add that there are so many different influencer people with a lot of money and power that it can go there can be competing influences. So like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:29] That's true.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:30] The storks one here. But then there's movies where it's like about a woman being single and thrilled with her empowerment,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:35] Right right

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:36] Like she doesn't

Jennifer Field: [00:44:36] I have to decide. Yeah, I'd have to decide what are those themes? What is it that they want to influence?

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:41] And you're going to watch competing messages,

Jennifer Field: [00:44:43] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:43] You're going to watch two movies and not on your own what you want,

Jennifer Field: [00:44:47] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:47] When I when I teach writing, everyone knows like emotional conflict, physical conflict and intellectual conflict. So emotional conflict is like the things that are keeping you from being able to ditch it all and leave intellectuals like that bad person who's actively working against you. Physical conflict is like the rock that's shining, that's about to fall on top of you, right? But the conflict.

Jennifer Field: [00:45:06] Intellectual conflict is when you're like, No, I know better.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:09] No, no. There's a bad person who's keeping you from achieving your goal.

Jennifer Field: [00:45:12] An actual Person?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:13] Yeah, the antagonist.

Jennifer Field: [00:45:14] Oh, okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:15] The one conflict that is the most important conflict in writing is the value conflict. Your main character believes one thing, your antagonist believes the other thing. And in the climax, there are two things. Clashing. That's the climax. And the resolution is the writer's theory on that value.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:37] You know what's a great movie that shows that so, so well is everything everywhere all at once. I just rewatched it for a second time last night with my boyfriend and it I love the illustration because your main character starts out like she's an unhappy mom who resents her kid and her husband and at the end without any spoilers. But she, you know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:57] Sausage fingers.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:59] She develops sausage fingers and runs away with Jamie Lee Curtis. No, she realizes she appreciates her husband and her daughter and that she loves them and wouldn't live life without them.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:10] A good a good written movie would have the value conflict. And so like so like to argue like, so your argument is true in that like every story should have some kind of value because then if it, if it's devoid of that value conflict, then the story lacks.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:25] It lacks soul. It's just a bunch of. Yeah. And honestly, if you watch everything everywhere all at once, about two thirds of the movie doesn't really have as much of that going on very prevalently that it's not heavy into the values conflict until the the third act. But until then it's just a lot of kung fu. And I didn't get it. I was just like, I don't get like this is thrilling but I don't get. And then that third act came where they were really hit the values hard. And all of a sudden I was like sobbing, watching the film because it really touched a part of me because she's like looking at like the alternative parallel life where she was like a she was like female Jackie Chan. Like, Oh my God, I could have been famous. But then realized she doesn't have her kids and family in that alternative world. Okay, We're at that point in the show where we need to pick the unofficial official story, the one that will once and for all answer the question. So what do you guys think? Which theory do we want to go with? Do we want to summarize?

Jennifer Field: [00:47:16] Yeah, I Need to summarize. So I'm trying to remember. So. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:19] I said the show was not officially related to the Illuminati, but there was maybe an editor or two.

Jennifer Field: [00:47:26] Oh yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:27] A graphic designer who had some aspirational Illuminati ties or whatever.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:32] My theory is that Satan can get you much more easily than through a show, so it's not through a show and that if there are sixes and stuff, it's just all in people's heads. It's all suggestion.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:42] And mine was That there a group of people who are making people stupid through mass media.

Jennifer Field: [00:47:47] Which is actually almost kind of yeah, in a Way.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:50] It's not Illuminati, it's another group, right? Yours is That there was a group of people who who are using.

Jennifer Field: [00:47:56] The entertainment, entertainment media.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:57] To like.

Jennifer Field: [00:47:58] To send messages.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:59] You know, specific about making people dumber. Yours is like any message based on like.

Jennifer Field: [00:48:03] Whatever their Agenda is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:05] Yeah, but Did they did they use Saved by the Bell as well you think. 

Jennifer Field: [00:48:08] At That time they used. Yeah saved by the bell and maybe they used other ones but this one for some reason has gotten wind. Okay so what's what's my favorite theory? Okay okay wait.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:18] I would say that ours is really close, so.

Jennifer Field: [00:48:21] Yeah, ours is kind of similar.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:22] I would say like, you know, we like, we could combine ours and make it like two votes right there.

Jennifer Field: [00:48:26] Yeah. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:28] She may not. She may not vote for hers. You may not vote for yours.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:31] What if she votes For one of ours?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:32] Well, I'm just saying that great minds think alike.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:35] Right? Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:36] So,

Jennifer Field: [00:48:37] You know, I do kind of like ours.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:38] Yeah, I agree.

Jennifer Field: [00:48:39] I do. Yes, we can combine it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:41] Yes.

Jennifer Field: [00:48:41] So there's some kind of organization, Illuminati or something. And I agree. You know, most of the world is dumb. Most people are dumb. So it's working.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:50] So it's not Illuminati, but it was some other organization.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:53] Okay, so there's Two votes for That.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:56] I'm going with mine that it was a rogue editor and graphic designer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:01] And I'm going to team up with Dwayne and say that it was a rogue editor.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:06] Okay,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:07] We keep having the ties.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:08] It's kind of fun though. That's kind of fun and it makes sense. So I don't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:12] Plus, I got to see Mario again in a few days.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:16] So. Yeah. Yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:18] Oh, my gosh.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:20] There you go.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:20] Should we say it's both?

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:21] It's both.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:22] Yeah. Yeah, I guess we could say it was both.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:24] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:25] There may be groups that are trying to influence People,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:27] Let's Say,

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:28] And there is a rogue.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:30] It was A both. It was both. But here's the thing. On Saved by the Bell, it was a rogue editor and specific graphic designer then saved by the bell the after years, whatever that was called. And they went to college or something. That was when this other group.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:44] Okay. There you go. Okay. We'll go with that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:46] Oh, like split custody of the theory.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:49] When they did. Okay. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:50] What was it? What was The.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:52] I don't even watch the first one. I don't even know. There was a Second one. 

Jennifer Field: [00:49:54] Oh, my God. The second one only had Screech and Belding, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:49:58] Nobody else wanted to come back.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:59] Wanted to come Back.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:00] And that's the official story. We'll take another break and when we return, we'll have fun pretending we're in our own 90s sitcom. Whew. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:11] The 90s was a golden era for sitcoms, as was the 80s. Saved by the Bell Friends. Seinfeld. Sure, the Illuminati may or may not have been burrowing into our brains with each laugh track, but it's undeniable that sitcoms were a major part of the of 90s network TV. If the Illuminati offered you funds to make your own 90s-style sitcom, what would you make yours about? How would you hypothesize?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:33] Hypnotize

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:33] I'm sorry. Hypnotized was like, How would you hypnotize the masses while ensuring they liked your show?

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:41] Hmm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:42] Who wants to go first?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:42] Oh, man. Well, the thing is, I have so many pilots that I could actually just pitch right here.

Jennifer Field: [00:50:50] Right. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:52] So the 90s sitcoms are very specific.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:55] Well, here's the thing. One of my favorite sitcoms I have many Seinfeld is right up there. Right. And All in the Family, There's so many. Ted Lasso has really leaped into it, leaped into the top ten for me. It's amazing. You know, psych, which I don't know if that's. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:09] I love Psych. That one's my favorite.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:11] I love psych. 

[00:51:12] But I think that one of my favorites is Newhart, right? He had two shows. He had one when he was a psychiatrist, and then another one where he ran a bed and breakfast in Vermont and was great about that, is that at the end of the second one, he was sleeping the whole second series. He was sleeping. He was still in the first one. That was a great little TV moment. So at the very end of the second Bob Newhart Show, he woke up and his first wife from the first show was in bed with him. And he was like, You won't believe this. I had a dream. I ran a bed and breakfast in Vermont. That was dope, right?

Jennifer Field: [00:51:44] That was the whole season.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:46] That was like. That was at the End of the show. Yeah, like it was like 4 or 5 seasons at the end. He played it like a dream. It was all a dream.

Jennifer Field: [00:51:53] Oh, that's cool.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:54] So I think I'm just going to pitch something I've actually written, which is like the black Bob Newhart, but the first one where I'm people like telling me things. I think I'm very sort of non-judgmental seeming. I seem like I'm non-judgmental, but pro tip, I am judgmental. So but yeah, I think I think something where you can always like that. So basically a sitcom where I have a life, I'm dating, I'm doing this thing, but I also see clients and then they can tell me all their problems, which are the problems that America has. So that's how you get America locked in. Like it's like free therapy for everyone watching because they're going to relate to somebody.

Jennifer Field: [00:52:36] One of the patients.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:37] These little therapy sessions to. Then the question becomes, do you give good advice or like bad advice? But I think you give good advice. I think I'd give good advice. I don't know. I don't think the Illuminati would want to use me because I'm I would be telling people to, you know, be more self sufficient and things like that. So but if, I guess, if, if, if I couldn't get it on air, I'd have to give people kind of bad advice, you know, like, you know what, I think you need to go shopping, you know, that kind of thing. But it's a funny sitcom where I help people and, as it were, help them, help lead them down a certain way, but would hopefully be able to really help them.

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:13] I have 2. Okay. The first one is an after school series for kids, right? That's the first one that popped in my head. It's a little bit like Veronica mars, whereas she's like crime fighting, but she has a dog. It's a little Italian greyhound named Leo. This is basically about me and that I wish I was fighting crime.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:30] Very nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:31] But they solve crimes together. And yeah, he's like, Airbud, right? Where he's like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:36] Does he talk?

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:36] Very capable. No?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:38] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:38] Because this is a kids show, and I don't want to teach kids that dogs talk because they don't.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:42] They do.

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:43] They do? Yeah. With their ears. Actually. My dog tells me things with his ears. Like, if they're cross, that means he's mad and maybe he needs to poop. Or maybe he's hungry.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:50] I like this. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:50] Mine is a husky, she she talks.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:52] But in this show. Does she have to, like, deal with bad guys or is she just figuring out who like crimes?

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:57] It's a whodunit. But then maybe she does. Maybe Leo takes them down.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:01] I like that

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:01] If you want to follow Leo. You can follow him at Katsugi Leo on Instagram. He's very cute. But no, my sitcom sitcom. I would just do the inverse of Seinfeld, kind of where it's a female stand up comedian and her friend.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:15] Oh, that's a good one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:16] In Los Angeles.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:17] That's a good one.

Chat GPT: [00:54:17] Sure.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:17] In L.A.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:18] Yeah. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:19] I like that. 

Chat GPT: [00:54:19] That's it. It's very simple. What is it? It's a show about Nothing. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:23] In l.a. If I went back to the 90s and I was able to do a TV show, I would do 90210. Except in San marino, California, with all Asian people. That would be like. Because that's like, what I that's. I grew up in San Marino.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:36] What's the what's the discount code. I mean what's the zip code.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:39] 91108.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:41] 91108 That's the show. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:42] Because actually. San Marino is more wealthy than Beverly Hills in general, but it's all Asian people. And so it's just a different I mean, when I went to school there, it was very different. You know, it was very interesting to kind of see like everything American, but through Asian American eyes and experience,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:58] That's Actually a pretty good show that could happen now, you know?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:00] Yeah, but the one I want to do, the one I would do now is I coach a lot of baseball, as you guys know. And so, I mean, youth baseball is just like is the craziest thing. Youth sports is like this multi-billion dollar thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:12] And you call it The Good News Bears. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:13] The Good news. And yeah, so just like just kind of the craziness, all the crazy stories I could share about youth sports and, you know, all those crazy things, that's what.

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:22] That'd be like. Malcolm in the middle.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:23] Kind of, Yeah. Except more focus,

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:25] More sports.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:25] More sports. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:26] Yeah, I like that. I like that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:28] And you, you could be the Bryan Cranston character running around in underwear, but Asians are more dignified than that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:34] Yeah, we Wouldn't. Yeah. All right. Jennifer what is yours? 

[00:55:35] Mine is kind of like yours, but, like, a little bit more gangster. So me and Koji are in the same, same vibe. So when I. When I saw that question, I thought I would want, like, a sitcom that would be like, higher learning. Remember that movie. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:49] Asian?

Jennifer Field: [00:55:49] Yeah. So. Doesn't have to be Asian, But not as white. Higher Learning by John Singleton.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:54] Yeah, Michael Rappaport was in that. Yeah. Yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:55:55] Who was in it?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:56] Michael Rapaport.

Jennifer Field: [00:55:57] Oh, yeah, I think he was. Yeah, he played like a skinhead or something. Okay, so kind of like higher learning. It was kind of thinking Fresh Prince of Bel Air, but flipped. So instead, so more like, what is it like to be like the minority whites in like a neighborhood, you know, in the hood. So that's what I always wanted.

Cat Alvarado: [00:56:17] But the hood is San Marino and everyone's Asian.

Jennifer Field: [00:56:19] There we go. There we go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:56:21] Or it could be the bay. Yeah. Yeah,

Jennifer Field: [00:56:22] It could have been. I was thinking the bay. So that's what I was thinking, like higher learning. Because when I watched that movie, just like you were saying, when you watch, did you see you watch this show and you're like, That's not like my school.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:56:32] Yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:56:32] So I don't know why When I watched this, I wasn't thinking that when I watched Saved by the Bell for some reason because yeah, it was, you know, it spoke to me. The Illuminati did so good. I was, I was just like, amazed analyzing it. But I remember going to see Clueless in the theaters and thinking, This is nothing like my life. I don't understand this. Why are there so many white people? Right? Because I grew up in an area just like Koji, where everyone was Asian or Latin, right? So it was like Vietnamese, Filipino, Indian, like South Asian, Indian and and Latin like Mexican. So as a half Asian, I was embarrassed that I was white and the white people were not cool and it was very cliquey. And so that whole thing about like, you know, oh, I was Asian and I was bullied and I was the only Asian kid in school. It was like, no, I had a totally different experience. So I would want a sitcom like that. So kind of showing what it's like to to grow up like. Like the hoods, like wear white.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:26] I like that Show. And if it's the late, late, late 90s depending on it's in high school. You said junior high school or high school. 

Jennifer Field: [00:57:33] For this? For my show,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:34] Yes. Only because it depends on if it's 90. But if you push it a little bit ahead, you can have like a young Jeremy Lin. 

Jennifer Field: [00:57:41] Directing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:42] No, no. Like he's in it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:57:43] Jeremy Lin is a basketball player.

Jennifer Field: [00:57:44] Oh,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:45] Yeah. And I think he's from and he's from the Bay Area, I think.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:57:48] Yeah. Palo Alto.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:49] Yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Field: [00:57:50] Yeah, yeah. See, like little, you know, East Palo Alto, Dangerous Minds, Dangerous Minds, Higher learning.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:57:54] I think he's from, like, the rich neighborhood though. He was from. His parents were professors.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:57:59] Oh, I see. I see. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:58:00] They were wealthy.

Jennifer Field: [00:58:01] But, like. But I have to still figure out what is the Illuminati? What are their, like, messages today? Like what would it, you know, I don't know what their agenda is. I'd have to come up with probably.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:09] To just make everybody get abortions.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:58:11] Yeah, it might just be. 

Jennifer Field: [00:58:12] It's. It's definitely different.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:58:13] Divide and conquer. Really.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:14] Like go To. 

Jennifer Field: [00:58:16] Is kind of Like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:58:18] If I had to bet.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:19] Said do mushrooms and go to Burning man.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:58:21] If I had to bet I would say it's like white replacement theory.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:24] Oh yeah. No for real. For real.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:58:25] Yeah that would be the thing because I mean, it's like. It's. It's like crazy. I mean if you like, pull people like, I was reading a poll where, like they said, Caucasian people feel that it's worse for Caucasian people. Now, that's what it was for like African Americans in the 1950s.

Jennifer Field: [00:58:38] What. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:58:38] And it's because because they feel like, oh, now they're not, you know, like they don't have this opportunity. And like, I feel like, I mean, and that explains like a lot of the shootings. It explains a lot of like explains Donald Trump. It explains like, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:50] They're really scared.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:58:51] It's all because Obama was president, which I think sometimes I wish that didn't happen. In a sense.

Jennifer Field: [00:58:56] I know. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:58:57] Only Because it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:58:57] I also blame the Internet, though, because the Internet can get people into deep rabbit holes.

Jennifer Field: [00:59:01] Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:59:02] And there are some very radical groups that if it weren't for YouTube algorithms, they would have their ideas would have stayed radical and not been more or less mainstream for a big portion of the country. And that white replacement theory comes from the South Africans. This group of South African racists in South Africa who are very scared that the black South Africans are going to murder them so they live.

Jennifer Field: [00:59:23] That's where it started decades ago. Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:59:25] But that's just their own guilt for how they treated them for. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:59:27] For Taking over the country.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:59:29] But, you know, it's interesting you say that like, I agree with you, but it's like five minutes ago you were like, oh, yeah, I'm from I'm from a place that's all Asian and richer and Beverly Hills. So you're giving them some fuel there, You know what I mean? 

Cat Alvarado: [00:59:45] That's it, you guys. Thank you, Jennifer, for coming on with us. And please tell us where people can follow you.

Jennifer Field: [00:59:49] Thank you. Yeah, I guess the the social media handles at Miss Jennifer Field for Instagram at Jennifer Field for Twitter.

Cat Alvarado: [00:59:59] And thank you all so much for listening. There are almost 3 million podcasts out there and we are honored you've chosen to listen to ours. Please check out our website Unofficial official story.com for show notes or to hear our past episodes. Be sure to return next month where we will answer the next question. Which celebrities are Immortal?

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:18] Keanu is. 

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:18] The rapper Immortal Technique

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:20] Jennifer Lopez and Gwen Stefani.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:23] Snoop Dogg.

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:23] They don't age.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:24] Dude. Mario Lopez.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:27] Mario Lopez.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:28] That's true.

Jennifer Field: [01:00:28] Find out what's the truth. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:29] We should bring him on the show.

Jennifer Field: [01:00:30] Yeah. 

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:31] I know. Yeah, ask him. That'd be a great guest. Our podcast would blow up.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:34] That would be a pretty Amazing. Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:37] And we could ask him directly. So was saved by the bell part of the Illuminati.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:40] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:41] And. And are you immortal? You know, we should stab it. Yeah. No.

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:44] Right, Right. Can we ask a miss plastic surgeon? I'd like To go. I know.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:47] Hey, I Don't think he has any kind of work done. I think he's just.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:51] He's just that good looking.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:52] He's just moisturizing and, you know, eating. Well. Yeah. Living good. Living a good life.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:00:56] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [01:00:56] I'm going to ask him if he eats gluten.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:00:59] Probably occasionally.

Jennifer Field: [01:01:00] Yeah. Just on occasion. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [01:01:02] Yes. All right. Thank you, guys.

Dwayne Perkins: [01:01:04] See you guys.

Cat Alvarado: [01:01:04] Bye

Jennifer Field: [01:01:05] Thank you.