S3E8 Walt Disney Vs. Frozen with Sierra Katow

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:00] You have 20s to tell me everything you know about frozen. Ready? Go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:03] Two sisters. One freezes things when she gets upset. The other one is like, you know, you don't need anybody. I guess she learns to. Either she learns that she doesn't need anyone or how to stop freezing people. Is that about right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:19] That sounds about right. Okay. Go. Sorry. Okay. Go ahead.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:21] Okay, so. I know yes, it is about sisters. And then they had a really hard time making it when they made it because they couldn't, like, make the plot work. They were trying to, like, make it not be where like, the girls needed a guy and they made like the older sister, the sister, the freezing powers be to freezy and like to like mean. And so nobody liked the film and they only had like ten months because they already, like, made so much of it to come up with a way to make it work. And then one day they were just like walking in the park. The songwriters, they're just like, oh, what are we going to do? You know what? F it we just got to just let it go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:55] Oh, wow.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:56] And then they were like, wait, wait a second. Let it go. Let it go. What? And then that's how it actually came out, out of the frustration. And so that's what I'm going to share that I know about frozen.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:13] Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is season three, episode eight of the Now award winning podcast Unofficial Official Story. I'm Cat and I am still waking up. We are shooting this in the morning and I'm tired.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:28] Hello, I'm Dwayne. I'm a little. I'm in a great mood, but I'm a little upset because I tried to call customer service and drop dime on this guy for closing the bathrooms at this coffee shop. And then while I was in the bathroom,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:40] Here We go with another Starbucks story.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:41] Call me back, but I will call later because you can't sell a diuretic and close the bathroom.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:47] Is this another plug for Panera Plus?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:49] No, the Starbucks is a Starbucks.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:51] But Panera would never do that everyone. So go to the SIP Club because the bathroom is open.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:57] Oh the SIP club. Was the Panera like Disney Plus Plus plus?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:02] I just caught that. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:03] And I'm Koji and I am trying to get Panera to sponsor us. I've been linking us to Panera all the time to see if they would come in and give us some money. So there you go.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:12] You could at Least give us free Panera Plus subscriptions.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:14] That would be great. Maybe we could do it from a Panera.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:17] Oh yeah, we could do it at the SIP club. Maybe. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:18] That'd be fun.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:19] Maybe outside.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:20] Ooh, cookies all in the sink cookies. Hey, look at that plug. We're doing this for free This isn't. Shut my mouth.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:27] Imagine what it would be if we got paid for it. It'd be way different. Yeah

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:31] We'd be doing, like, Asmr, eating the brownies into the microphone,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:34] And it'd be no mention of the green, the green store with the mermaid in the. Front.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:39] Yeah, exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:40] The mermaid place. Okay, well, this is where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime. And by the end, we'll tell you what really maybe happened. And it's finally that time of the decade, the 10th anniversary of one of Disney's biggest ever films, frozen, in honor of arguably one of the best animated movies of all time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:06] Okay, so our intern wrote that, so I'm not sure. I'm not sure I agree with that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:10] Well, he said, arguably so we could argue about it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:12] Yeah. That's true.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:13] That's not.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:15] Yeah, I have feelings today. We'll be posing an interesting question. Did Disney come up with the name frozen as a distraction from a bigger conspiracy theory about Walt Disney's death? But first, let's introduce our guest, Sierra Kaito Sierra is a stand up comic writer and actor. She recently shot her first hour long stand up special with comedy dynamics, and can be seen playing Evangeline on Mindy Kaling's The Sex Lives of College Girls on Max. In the past, she was part of the main cast of the G word with Adam Conover on Netflix and voiced characters for Disney's Raya and the Last Dragon. She has also written for shows like Exploding Kittens on Netflix, Close Enough, Max Earth to Ned, Disney Plus and Eureka on Disney Plus. That's a lot.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:00] That's very impressive.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:01] High five.

Sierra Katow: [00:04:02] God, you gotta put the credits, you know, but.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:05] You are crushing it.

Sierra Katow: [00:04:05] Thanks for reading it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:07] Did you always want to know you wanted to be a writer, actor, comedian? Or is that something that came up later?

Sierra Katow: [00:04:12] Yeah, I guess I. Started in stand up comedy. I was like, I grew up out here in La Canada near Los Angeles and wanted to do comedy. So I started with stand up because it just seemed like the like least barrier of entry, you know, which is maybe also an issue because open mics get, you know, got a lot of wacky people. But I started in that and wanted to do, I think TV writing in the sense that I loved watching, like I liked watching like family Guy and like a lot of these kind of, you know, teen comedy skewed like hilarious things on TV and realized that's even a job. But I was still very, like, studious student. So I still went to college and got my computer science degree and was like, well, I kind of like that stability, too. So yeah, I feel like. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:51] Your Asian

Sierra Katow: [00:04:51] Became,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:52] You have to do it. 

Sierra Katow: [00:04:52] What?

Sierra Katow: [00:04:52] Yeah. Yes. I think that did help the incentive to, you know, kind of buckle down and figure out how to make a career out of this, even though it's a very strange career. You know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:03] I always tell people that comedy because I was a long time ago, also a computer science major. And people always say, you know, you went from that to comedy. And I always tell people that they're kind of similar in a way.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:14] I feel that way too.

Sierra Katow: [00:05:15] Yeah, I remember hearing That you think people, anytime I've mentioned they're like, do you know Dwaynelike he's. Yeah, that's that's awesome. What did you think they're similar like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:22] In terms of patterns and deciphering patterns? I mean many moons ago for me. But you know, like back in the day, you could write a program and it looks like it would work. And just even the syntax of it, one comma.

Sierra Katow: [00:05:34] Oh, I know those Damn semicolon.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:35] Semicolon.

Sierra Katow: [00:05:36] Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:05:36] Like, because, you know, in a program you have things that are like comments that like, the compiler is not supposed to do anything with. So yeah, any, any, anything off in the whole thing doesn't work. And I feel comedy can be like that too. Like a joke can work every time, but then like something you don't even know what it happened. Like someone dropped a fork or anything. You drop the word and then the joke doesn't work like it used to.

Sierra Katow: [00:05:58] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:58] Yeah. I also feel like it's like that because I code part for my day job. Python.

Sierra Katow: [00:06:03] Yeah. Wow. Look at us. What are we,

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:05] Data scientists. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like with a joke, with learning how to write a joke, it's a lot like learning to code or looking at somebody else's code. Like when you're analyzing jokes and trying to, like, reverse engineer what it was and you're like, okay, this piece was that this was the setup. This was the these are the tags. I mean, now that I've been doing it a long time, that stuff comes very intuitively. But when I was learning how to write a joke and just looking at like a paragraph of text and going, how did they make people laugh?

Sierra Katow: [00:06:35] Sure.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:36] From to go from there to understanding the mechanics is a lot like like interpreting programming code for sure.

Sierra Katow: [00:06:43] Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I've never connected those dots, so thank you for doing that. But yeah, I'm always way more like systematic at like approaching, you know, writing stuff. And, and I think a lot of writers are like that. It's like everybody kind of it's you have such a lack of control. You're like start to be like, well, I got to make sure the formatting is right and, you know, make sure that this is all spelled correctly. So, you know, I think that's like part of it too. Yeah. But exactly there's one little thing Can throw it off.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:08] My boyfriend and I are we're co-writing a script right now. We're writing a feature together and he's like, he's like, let's just go for it. Let's just like, dive in. And I'm like, no, we have a bunch of steps we have to make first our page with like our character thing and then our outline, and then we have to do this. And then we're going to go pass on our outline.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:25] That's how you're Supposed to do it. That's how you're supposed to do it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:27] Right okay. Thank you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:29] Yeah absolutely. You don't even start writing until you know the overall story for sure.

Sierra Katow: [00:07:33] Right? Right. It'll make it so much harder.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:35] And even the discipline, like, even if you didn't think of that, just the discipline of your studies, you can apply to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:42] Yeah, I had to I went To a writers retreat and I invited this, the speaker, to the class, and it was the showrunner for The Office, and she's been writing a ton before that, too. And she came in and she spoke about how when she writes features, she doesn't outline it. But it was different, though all the students were asking me about it later, I was like, okay, so the moment you write 20 years for TV and you have like a really good sense of story and characters and know how to, like, know what you're going to do already, then you could write it without outlining. So that's like I could write it without an outline too. But you have never written anything before. Why do you think you could just come in and write?

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:14] It's kind of when Comedians riff, like when when a new comedian goes on stage, sometimes they'll go to An open mic and they'll be like, I didn't write anything, I'm just going to riff. And of course, it bombs. But you have a seasoned comedian on stage. They already have an intuitive sense of like premise, punch line tag, tag, tag and that sort of a thing. And also like what works, what doesn't work. Wording,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:33] Timing,

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:33] Timing. Yeah, yeah. And so they can riff off the cuff and it seems like. So brilliant is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:38] Cooking is like that too. Like, you know, you probably have to just abide by the recipe until you, you just Get it. 

Sierra Katow: [00:08:45] Sprinkle In. Yeah. I'm the kind of person who's like, I don't want to read the recipe. And then it's like, tastes horrible. I'm like, what happened?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:50] It's like porn is porn is like that too. Yeah. First it's like it's usually like a formula. Then eventually you just like, I'm just going to do it and.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:57] You mean watching it or.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:59] Being in It.

Sierra Katow: [00:09:00] Oh creating it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:01] You know, I wouldn't know about that.

Sierra Katow: [00:09:03] I mean, I assume there's got to be a Story, you know. So maybe they got to outline and. Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:07] The postman comes in and they don't really do that anymore. I don't think as Much. 

Sierra Katow: [00:09:11] Done kind of trope at this point.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:13] They probably Have done every single occupation that there is.

Sierra Katow: [00:09:16] Yeah, yeah. They got to expand into like new types of jobs. Like I wouldn't programmer,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:22] I wouldn't, I wouldn't know either. Just.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:30] Let's get the story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:32] Yeah, let's do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:33] Did Disney name its film frozen to distract internet users from conspiracies about Walt Disney's death? Let's set the scene with this info Biography.com. On December 15th, 1966, animation legend Walt Disney died from complications of lung cancer, for which he had undergone surgery just over a month earlier. A private funeral was held the next day, and on December 17th, his body was cremated and interred at the Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, California. But shortly after his death, a rumor began to circulate that he might be living in a more literal sense, with his body suspended in a frozen state and buried deep beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland in Anaheim, California, awaiting the day when medical technology would be advanced enough to reanimate. The animator.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:21] Say this. Actually, this technology actually worked, and you could be reanimated later. Would you guys want to know you?

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:27] No. Maybe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:29] Maybe?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:29] Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm always I don't know why. It just made me think of this. The movie interstellar, was that Christopher Nolan?

Sierra Katow: [00:10:37] Yeah, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:37] I feel like if you like a Christopher Nolan movie, then skip the next one and then watch the next one. So just as soon as you get one, you, like, go every other movie and you'll be you'll be fine.

Sierra Katow: [00:10:47] He alternates Between two Kind of styles.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:49] So you're saying. Like if you get reanimated but like wait a couple generations.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:54] No no no no no. Because my thing is, my thing is if you if you they freeze you and you wake up, then like, if you have children, they might be older than you. All this kind of weird stuff. And in that movie like this guy is like goes to space. He comes back, his daughter is like 50 years older than him. They're just acting normal about it. He's in a hospital room with family members and no one's like, who's that? And and she's not like, oh, that's my dad. Wait, your dad is 50 years younger, you know, so that I always thought, like, is this really happening? Because no one's no one's acting like this is a big deal. So anyway, I would want to be frozen. But being younger than people who being younger than people who are younger than you.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:33] Because I didn't think of why I said no. Okay. I just intuitively was like, no, okay. Because when you come back, you're not going to have any employable skills and then you're going to have to be homeless person On Skid row.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:45] Historian, historian. Oh, you could be a historian of the year 2024.

Sierra Katow: [00:11:49] You could be.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:50] We don't need a historian. 

Sierra Katow: [00:11:50] Podcast Tour and like talk about your. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:53] Okay. You like have to be a content creator. That's like the only thing because I don't know about historian because I could just have History. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:00] Like That Seth Rogen movie. You could you could sell pickles. I don't know if you. 

Sierra Katow: [00:12:03] I haven't watched that one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:04] Yeah. It's good, it's good.

Sierra Katow: [00:12:05] Okay, cool.I got to watch.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:06] Okay. Yeah. Because I don't know what you would do. Like, how would you even take care of yourself? The economics of it don't add up, so I'd rather just. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:13] No. But I think. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:14] You could be in porn.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:15] But. But it's going to be whatever.

Sierra Katow: [00:12:18] I mean, we're really trying to push this porn thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:20] Whatever it is, it's going to be easier Like

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:22] You might not have a job, you might not need a job,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:23] You might not even need a job. There may be no, no capitalism at all. I may just. 

Sierra Katow: [00:12:27] I think That like the issue is like, if you are the only one, right, it creates some problems. It's then you have no friends, you have no community. You're like completely out of your element. It's like a time traveler because you're just, you know, this is cool for like a day, but then you kind of want to go back to your family, right? But then if everybody can do it, then that's cool. But then you definitely want to get left out and then you're not special. And then if you are the only one you maybe could, you know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:50] Book tour.

Sierra Katow: [00:12:51] Yeah. Do a memoir. You could be the guy, you know. Oh, that's the that's the woman who was frozen. Whoa. Let's go. Like you could do conferences.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:58] Porn.

Sierra Katow: [00:12:59] Porn. Oh, my God.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:00] Do you guys Know the lady on one of the Channel Islands? This is a real thing. You can look it up. So back in the day, explorers came to the Channel Islands.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:09] Oh, the actual story.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:10] Yeah. Off of, um.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:11] I'm still thinking about porn.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:12] No hair off of, uh, you know, somewhere off California. And there were some natives. It was a small island. There were some natives. They took them all. They just took them and took them somewhere else to, I don't know, study them or whatever.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:22] There's a book about this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:24] Yeah. And they left one girl. She was completely on his island, completely by herself. And then for like years, maybe 30 years, maybe 30, 40 years. Then someone came back or another group came and they discovered her. And it was like, you've been here this whole time, you know? And then they took her to Santa Barbara, and then she died like three weeks later just because of the. She got some kind of infection because her body wasn't.

Sierra Katow: [00:13:44] Yeah. Like there was isolated. And then. Yeah. You're not exposed.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:47] They make fifth graders read the book about her. And then also there's a whole thing about her at the Santa Barbara Mission.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:51] Island of the Blue Dolphins.

Sierra Katow: [00:13:52] Oh, that's about that's. Oh. Whoa. I didn't know that was. Oh, okay, I read that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:57] What does it have to do with porn, though?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:58] No, no. It has to do with.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:00] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:00] Being. 

Sierra Katow: [00:14:01] Right. Being if you want to be the lone person, that's really hard. I mean, we're, you know, social beings.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:06] You may not even like there's. Are you employable? But also. Yeah. With your spirit.

Sierra Katow: [00:14:11] Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:12] Handle it. Your body handle it. Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:14:13] Would you Then thaw. And then you'd be exposed to all these new pathogens and then die.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:17] Also, would it be Impossible to make new friends? Because now you're racist. Against.Whoever is new?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:25] That's really Funny.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:25] There's always A thing. There is always a new thing that Like you go enough generations. There's always something like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:31] You wake up and you're like Wait, guys, there are only six genders. What are you. What the hell are you talking about?

Sierra Katow: [00:14:35] Yeah. Like, wow, you need to wake up.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:39] Well, I'd only want to come back. If they put me on, like a body of, like, a really beautiful woman. Like my head on a.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:45] This isn't.

Sierra Katow: [00:14:45] Oh, I didn't know this Was a body swap thing. You could do that too.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:48] Are they. Are they are they trans? Your personality and your. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:53] My Head onto the body of. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:55] What if It was just your brain? If they could brain transplant you and then you'd be in the body of a Woman,

Sierra Katow: [00:14:59] You'd have a head. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:00] Is this so you can have empathy for women? Why would you want.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:03] Wow, what a feminist ally turning over a new leaf.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:07] You just want boobs that you can touch freely.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:09] No no no no no no no. Well, get your mind out of the gutter, Dwayne. Right. No, no. It's funny, because remember when I was like, 18, my mom and I were having a conversation? I think she might she we were talking about things and she's like, if you could be a woman, would you want to be a woman? I was like, oh yeah, for 100%. And she would be like, you would you would be pregnant already? I was like, yeah, I would have found the richest dude and would have gotten married and had a baby already. So maybe it's something with that, I don't know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:31] You want to See what the other side is like?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:33] I just wanted to be a stay at home mom, actually.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:35] Interesting. I've never had that thought.

Sierra Katow: [00:15:38] The same plan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:39] I just want to be a stay at home mom. Is that bad? Okay. According to PBS NewsHour, in early 1967, a few weeks after Disney's death, a reporter for a tabloid newspaper called The National Spotlight claimed he had snuck into Saint Joseph's Hospital in Burbank, directly across the street from Disney Studios and where he was treated during his final illness. As the story went, the reporters disguised himself as an orderly, broke into the storage room and saw the deceased Disney suspended in cryogenic metal cylinder.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:07] Oh, wow. I mean, the national spotlight. I mean, you Can't. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:10] I Mean that sounds like a sounds like LA times or something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:12] Right? Right. They really vet their sources.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:14] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:15] Well, after this, people began to collect evidence to support the theory that Disney had indeed been cryogenically frozen. Here are a few ideas we found in an article by the Daily Beacon from University of Tennessee. Believers pointed out that the first man to ever be cryogenically frozen just so happened to be in the same city. Disney's reported to be buried in and was frozen only a month after Disney's passing. This proved that the technology for cryogenics existed at the same time and at the same place too. In addition, Bob Nelson, former president of the Los Angeles based Cryonics Society of California, claimed Disney had called and asked a lot of in-depth questions about being frozen early on in his sickness. Furthermore, in the cemetery where Disney's ashes are said to be buried, there's no evidence or indicator of any remains of the legend being on his family plot, meaning Disney's remains may not be where they were said to be, and his daughter's plate state's ashes scattered in Paradise, suggesting her ashes were elsewhere. Surely the creator of the largest media corporation in the world would have a nameplate of his own on his family plot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:25] The plot thickens. The family plot? Well, I mean Paradise. You don't think they. Maybe they just. They just think Glendale is Paradise. That's.

Sierra Katow: [00:17:36] I mean, maybe it was back Then, I don't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:38] I mean. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:39] That's what Americana. Is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:40] Yeah. Glendale's pretty cool.

Sierra Katow: [00:17:41] That's true. Yeah. Scattered in the H&M, in the Americana.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:48] Specifically, Portos. Actually, they scattered in Portos. Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:17:51] That's Paradise right there.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:52] I Always eat Guava pastries everyday.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:53] I would like to think he's at the Kiosk where you get your phone fixed.

Sierra Katow: [00:17:57] Yeah, yeah. I have my car mechanic is right near that, that Forest Lawn. So maybe there's a little Bit over there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:04] There you go. Here's some more evidence from Biography.com that fans of the theory have compiled, quote, proponents of this rumor claim that news of his passing was intentionally delayed in order to give his handlers time to place his body in cryonic suspension, and that both his funeral and the actual location of his burial plot have been kept secret as a means of further concealing the truth. In addition, Disney's long life interest in the future projects such as his Epcot Center, which stands for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow and the technical innovations for which he was known throughout his career, would no doubt have lent a rumor to certain air of truth. And now for the conspiracy we will be focusing in On today's episode. Let's see how the Daily Beacon breaks it down.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:48] So the Daily Beacon said recently, around 2019, people across the internet started to believe that the movie frozen was actually meant to be a distraction To Disney lovers. This sounds absurd because it is, but the concept behind this is interesting. If you were to Google Disney Frozen, all that pops up is the movie. The movie's title keeps search engines from pulling up articles about Disney's frozen body. Instead, the articles are all about Disney's movie The Frozen. The movie loosely follows the story of an old fairy tale. Like many Disney movies, they could have kept the original name The Snow Queen and credited the original author, Hans Christian Andersen. But Disney wanted to make it their own by using their own title. Or was that the reason? Rumor has it, frozen was a movie titled strategically Thought of.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:29] Oh, I have A similar conspiracy theory. Okay, it's about Taylor Swift and Jets. So right before Taylor Swift started dating Travis Kelce, there was news going on about how her private jets have a bigger carbon footprint than, like the whole world put together for 30 years. I don't know For a fact. 

Sierra Katow: [00:19:46] She was like number one on the celebrities list.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:48] I think I Just made up a fact that is way too much. Yeah, way too big. But the point is, it was like, you know, if all of her fans went carbon neutral for 30 years, it still wouldn't add up to over like overcoming the amount of carbon that she's emitting with her jets. Right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:04] Wow.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:04] So just as this started becoming a headline, all of a sudden she goes to the Jets game and the whole thing is Taylor and Travis Kelce. Jets Jets Jets to bury.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:15] No no. But he's on a different team. But they went to a Jets game.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:18] Oh there was a oh yeah. They were playing the Jets that game.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:20] Maybe that's what.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:22] I had No idea that he wasn't on the Jets. 

Sierra Katow: [00:20:24] I didn't either. That's news to me as well.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:26] Because he's on the Chiefs.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:27] He's on the Chiefs. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:28] Undercuts the. Yeah. But I also didn't know that. But I did see that theory and I liked that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:33] But also. You remember she and I'm making this up too. So please bear with me. This is a made up thing. Remember she had that little snafu where she dressed as an Indian. Oh, as a Native American.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:47] She did? 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:47] A few Halloweens back at a sorority party, and it was like. 

Sierra Katow: [00:20:51] Sorority party. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:52] To avoid that picture coming up, she's like, I'll date Travis Kelce, who's a Chiefs. So now when they put in Taylor Swift chief it'll be that as opposed to this embarrassing picture.

Sierra Katow: [00:21:01] Or maybe it's Preemptive. So now she can dress as that in the future.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:05] She can just identify as A Native American and Indigenous person.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:07] Right? Right.

Sierra Katow: [00:21:08] Right. Now no one will even care because she's dating this man on a football team.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:13] Oh, there you go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:14] Right. She can identify. So that's a nice little sweet out.

Sierra Katow: [00:21:18] You got to cover your bases and the way. Yeah I mean I'm very impressed with, you know, using I guess celebrity couples as I didn't, you know, as, as a young person I was, I was like, oh wow. They're in love. But no, it's all PR, it's all orchestrated.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:32] If you think about it, Travis Kelce is not Taylor Swift's usual type. She likes sensitive, creative types. They're usually Skinnier Often. Shorter. I want to say.

Sierra Katow: [00:21:40] Yeah, or like British,

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:41] This is the first time she's Dated a hunky Dude or like an athlete.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:45] I don't think he like I think he's true to himself from what I hear him talk. But he's like kind of hood too. Like he who he hangs around like his, you know, his personality.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:54] I've also heard his usual type is black women.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:57] Yeah. So. 

Sierra Katow: [00:21:58] Interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:59] I feel like They're both gateways for each other. Like this could be a gateway for him to dating. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:03] To see More like American. Like All-American.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:06] Yeah, I don't know. It's not a gateway because Taylor Swift would be. 

Sierra Katow: [00:22:09] The full.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:10] Yeah, yeah, but she could Be.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:11] But but she's helping his Image to be a little bit more American Pie. Apple pie.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:16] Right. And he could be a gateway for her. Like the next person she dates might be like Puff Daddy or something like.

Sierra Katow: [00:22:21] Oh, I see, I see. Yeah, yeah. Partway there. But yeah, I do feel like but then he, I mean for him, he just gets the benefit of I didn't know who he was. And now every woman knows.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:32] Absolutely. That's true. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:33] Exactly. But okay back to this. So while all these theories sound pretty convincing, there's actually no concrete evidence to back any of them. Pbs NewsHour says that Disney's daughter Diane wrote in 1972, there is absolutely no truth that my father, Walt Disney, wished to be frozen. I doubt that my father had ever even heard of cryonics.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:55] I read on the internet that he did so. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:57] Well. Here's the thing, too. You don't, you don't. You don't, like, make a future city, you know what I mean? You'd be pretty obsessed with all things future.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:04] Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:23:04] Daughters don't always know what's, you know, mean. Kids don't always know what's going on with their parents.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:08] Absolutely. What do you guys thinking? Have all these conspiracies convinced you that frozen was meant to steer fans away from theories about Disney's cryogenically frozen body? When we return, we'll settle this once and for all and figure out what really okay. Maybe happened. Doo doo doo doo doo. That's the music that plays.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:34] Now that we've gone over the evidence, let's give our theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:37] Okay, so my theory is that Walt Disney, he's actually he's a kind of person that lives forever. He actually could never die. And the the story about the being frozen is it was just a it was a cover. So when he comes back and I think, what's the what's the anniversary of Disney? I think they started in 1960, 1955. I want to say.

Sierra Katow: [00:23:56] I know Disneyland started in 1950.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:58] Yeah, Disneyland started 1955.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:59] Was that one first and then world came later, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:01] Yeah,

Sierra Katow: [00:24:02] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:02] So when he comes back in 2055, people won't be freaking out because they'll be like, oh, he was chronologically frozen or whatever.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:09] Why is he that type of person that can't die?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:12] I don't know,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:12] Okay, okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:13] I'm just I'm just telling you. 

Sierra Katow: [00:24:14] Whoa whoa whoa.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:14] Yeah.You're going a little.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:15] That's the Prequel. That's the origin story.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:17] That's the origin story. Yeah. So when they created frozen, the people that work at Disney are, you know, they're puppet masters. And so they didn't want it to be associated anymore because. But they didn't know about Walt. Walt's hiding out in Burbank somewhere, and then they. What did they do? They created frozen. So the conspiracy is real, basically. But they kind of got it all wrong,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:35] But only. Part of it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:36] So. So he's not really frozen, but they don't like the. So it's like a PR thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:40] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:41] The PR element is true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:42] But they put it out there back in the 1970s just so that when he comes back in 100 years, it won't seem weird,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:47] Right? Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:48] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:48] Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:24:49] In the 70s, they seem like this is actually the the nicest way to let them down.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:52] Why did he go Away at all if he couldn't die? Just because it would be weird that. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:55] He lived forever. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:56] Would be like, when are you going to die?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:57] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:57] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:58] Interesting. Well, first of all, I think I agree with you in one hand, I think they certainly named it frozen to to do like an SEO kind of cheat, which stands for search engine optimization. I think like it's brilliant to do that. Like it's because like there's a comic who has my name, he spells it slightly differently. And like, I don't know him personally, but I do feel like I came first. He came second.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:21] Did you spell it like Dwayne read like the.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:23] He spells it d e w a n e and he's a comic, but he's, I think, has a more of a stronghold than the writing sphere of things. But like, do I feel like we're in battle in a way of Google like, yeah, right.

Sierra Katow: [00:25:37] In Battle. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:38] I think. Yeah. Search engine I think is brilliant because the original name is going to be snow Queen, and that sounds like a more Disney name, right? Mermaid Queen like things that girls want to be. So why is this one called frozen? It's either because they want women to be frozen, you know, very like be be your own kind of thing. But I also think at the last minute they said, this is a great way to divert and just stronghold Google or any search engine that, you know what I mean. But I think in terms of him being frozen, here's what I think. I think he is. I don't think he he's the one who ordered it. I think, you know, he was.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:14] Mickey Mickey Mouse.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:15] No, no, no, no, I think it's just some guys that work there.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:19] Like fans froze him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:21] No no workers. So so basically in a board meeting, he he had this great idea. And like whoever, whoever was supposed to write it down, didn't like, hear it or didn't write it down. And everyone was like, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. And they were like, we got to do that idea. And then the guy was like, what are they talking about? I didn't write it down and they were like, Disney, what was that idea? And they didn't get a chance to ask him before he really took ill. So they were like he had looked into it and they were like, you know what? This is going to change the game, but we can't remember exactly what they want it. Let's freeze them. So against his wishes, he was frozen. And if you go to if you were like worked at Disney, there's some account item. There's like if you look through their books, there's this weird thing that no one knows what it is, but they pay for it every year. And it's that it's like when you go to like a strip club and it's and you, if you use the ATM, it'll come up as like a burger place or something like that. Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:10] Koji Can you translate That to the porn version?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:12] I don't know about that. I don't know what you're talking about.

Sierra Katow: [00:27:16] Is it an online burger?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:18] And your girl is like, man, you've been going to Phil's Burgers like, every. Oh, they got some good burgers down there.

Sierra Katow: [00:27:24] I'll bring you back one next time. Forgot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:27] And so then those guys, they don't even work there anymore. But every like, the 1 or 2 employees that did it when they were about to retire, they indoctrinate one, 1 or 2 other guys and be like, okay, it's true. Da da da da da da. And then they show them and then so it's like a, it's a, it's a there's a few people keeping the secret. The family doesn't know about it. Disney didn't commission it. It's just some guys did it. That's my theory and I do also. Secondly I think it's brilliant like that You can just sort of like take a name and completely co-opt it. So I think, I think if Will Smith wanted to sort of really get his reputation back on track, he should sit down with some of the people at Disney. And when they do a frozen sequel, if that's in the mix, it should be called Elsa Slaps a Rock.

Sierra Katow: [00:28:13] So right. Any time you look up slap. It's like I don't even remember what happened.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:23] All right, I'm going to do opposite of you guys. I think it's all fake. All of it's fake. The reason it's called frozen is because it's catchier. It's one word frozen. It sounds way better than the snow Queen. That's three syllables. It reminds you. Of Snow White, and then it's going to take away from SEO for Snow White, because you don't want snow in the title at all.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:41] And also there Has to be a drag queen somewhere named the snow Queen.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:45] There's.

Sierra Katow: [00:28:46] Yeah, and you don't want to mess with their SEO.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:49] If you look at Disney's titles for their recent movies, a lot of them are like as few syllables as possible. Like, we've got Coco, we've got inside out like it's.

Sierra Katow: [00:28:58] Wish.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:58] Wish.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:59] Yeah, Debbie does Dallas. Oh, that's a different title.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:02] That is Not Disney.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:03] That's not a Disney one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:05] The Little Mermaid should have been like mamita.

Sierra Katow: [00:29:07] Maria, mamita. That's a nice one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:10] Yeah. Just yeah or Mer right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:14] But like elemental is just like, yeah, that's three syllables, but it is just one word. So they do like their one word titles. Encanto is one word, even those three syllables. But it's Encanto.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:24] Maybe each one of those movies has a, like, another agenda, some sort of search engine implication.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:30] Encanto. It's trying to bury the restaurant called Encanto in Hermosa Beach because they had a bad experience there, and they're like, screw you guys.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:41] Maybe someone was incontinent and they didn't want people.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:44] There like. Okay, Coco, we don't want anyone to find any hot cocoa on the internet ever again. It's going to be called Coco.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:51] No, it's. Anyone searching for hot cocoa. It's like, wow, I guess I'll get a hot chocolate and watch this movie now. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:58] What about Walt? Walt Disney. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:00] Is Walt Disney frozen? Great question. I'm going to say yes, he is, but it's not going to work. I think he's being scammed. Because if you think about this whole cryogenic unfreezing thing, like if you die, it's because there's a part of your body that failed like it. It stopped working like your organs stopped your brain like something has stopped working,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:19] But they Freeze you. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:20] And they couldn't Fix it,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:21] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:21] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:21] That's the thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:22] Because if they Could fix it, then you'd be alive. You would not have died.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:25] No, but he's waiting until they can fix it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:27] I guess if they put you in an whatever it's called, like a on purpose coma. Yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:30:32] Voluntary. I Don't know what?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:33] Voluntary coma. An induced coma.

Sierra Katow: [00:30:35] Induced coma? Yeah. Like when you volunteer To go into a Coma. \

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:39] An on Purpose coma? Was it on purpose?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:40] I guess you could be, like Old and have, like, a terminal illness with no cure and just be like, okay, just put me into this coma, then freeze me, then bring me out. So if it was like that, then maybe it could work. But you can't already be dead and then get frozen. Because if they could bring you back to life, they would.

Sierra Katow: [00:30:57] Yeah, that's a really good point. I didn't think so. He would have to make an executive decision to be like, okay, I'm going to choose this freezing because I'm probably definitely going to die.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:05] That's why I think,

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:05] Like if you've got like a.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:07] I think he was in hospice when these guys did it to him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:10] Wasn't quite dead yet.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:11] Okay. Maybe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:13] Yeah. All right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:13] Sierra, what do you think?

Sierra Katow: [00:31:14] Okay. Yes. He's frozen and the Disney's Frozen was because I also was always, like, frozen. Kind of weird title. I didn't even think about snow Queen or whatever, but I was just, like, frozen is kind of bland for what an epic, you know, fun musical frozen was. Obviously it did well no matter what, but it did feel like the branding was like frozen. And then it was like snowflakes and you're like, but what about, you know, there's like a snowman, you know, it was like, let's get some other imagery in here. So I always was a little suspicious of that. So the first time I heard about this conspiracy, I believe that yes. For that then for Walt Disney put a lot of thought into it. I always kind of thought maybe I'd heard that just his head was frozen. His severed head was like somewhere, which is that seems less practical even than freezing the whole thing. It makes more sense to freeze the whole thing. But I think he is frozen. I think the daughter's in on it. She's like, oh, my dad never would ever do that. But like, he's like in her freezer in the garage, you know, like I think like she's the she's the overseer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:11] Pirates of the Caribbean. That's too risky.

Sierra Katow: [00:32:12] No. Yeah. That's like that's like, you know, they don't want to mess with the ride. Like, you know, they have to do a lot of construction on the ride all the time. So. So I think it's. Yeah, it's in a safe place in her custody and she's kind of the like, overseer and. Yeah, I wonder if it's less like coming back. Like, maybe he thought back in the 70s or whatever like that. It would be the way to live forever. But, you know, as time has progressed, it's probably not. So she just kind of keeps him around because she's like, that's dad. You know. That's it's nice to have dad around.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:41] I think she maybe has passed away now.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:44] I think she Has.

Sierra Katow: [00:32:45] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:45] So she would have had her child now.

Sierra Katow: [00:32:48] Yeah. Yeah. It's got to go through like a will, you know, it's like and they probably get a good stipend from the, you know, trust fund or whatever. So.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:55] All right. So at this point in the show, it's time for us to pick the unofficial official story, the one that will answer this question once and for all. So what are we thinking? Which theory do we want to go with. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:06] I like Sierra's. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:07] Okay So there's two votes so far.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:09] Which one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:10] What do I vote. Yeah I think I like Sierra's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:13] You like yours that he can't die.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:15] I like mine, but.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:17] I mean our was similar. It's the family.

Sierra Katow: [00:33:19] Yeah. I kind of. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:21] Okay. I'm going to vote for mine. I'm just saying, because mine seems the most realistic.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:25] Your vote doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:26] Yeah. Right now it's 2 to 1. I mean, it's basically. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:28] Sierra. You're the. Then. 

Sierra Katow: [00:33:29] I Have to. Oh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:30] You can vote for your own too. I mean probably want to vote for mine most likely, but you.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:34] Or you can vote for mine. Just be realistic. Mean you're a computer science person.

Sierra Katow: [00:33:37] Yeah. I mean, probably, I. Think what's most likely true. Occam's razor is out. They say cats. Probably.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:44] That doesn't make me win.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:45] Did you vote for yours?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:46] I voted for Sierra's. Actually.

Sierra Katow: [00:33:49] That was kind of also knowing that I You know, I get to Be, like, humble, but. I also get to win. Yeah. So that's the best outcome.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:57] We okay. Great. That's awesome. So Sierra's won.

Sierra Katow: [00:34:01] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:01] And that's the official story. The family is in on it. He is frozen. And it was a conspiracy theory.

Sierra Katow: [00:34:07] Horrible horrible. Scary.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:09] We'll take another break. And when we return we'll have fun talking about a few more Disney conspiracy theories.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:21] Aside from whether Walt Disney wanted to be cryogenically frozen or not, there are plenty of other conspiracy theories circulating around the web that have to do with all things Disney. So we'll read a conspiracy theory, and then we can vote yes or no on if we think it's true. So this is the first one from the Daily Star. As Snow White waves the dwarfs behind, she rides off with her man into the sunset. Some believe this is a metaphor for being lifted into heaven. What do you guys think? Yes or no?

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:46] No. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:47] No. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:47] No.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:48] Cat says no. Dwayne says no.

Sierra Katow: [00:34:49] I think it Could, I think yeah, that's that could be. But the argument could be made for like, any happy ending, I guess.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:56] Yeah. You could say that in. Like for Greece, I think in Greece there's a like they say the theory is that as they're driving off in the car, like the real ending of the story is that they drove off and got in a car accident because they were driving drunk.

Sierra Katow: [00:35:10] Nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:12] Okay, I'm going to say no as well.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:13] Okay. Next theory. According to Daily Star, Disneyland's Smeltzer is a device invented by the company that disperses different aromas throughout the park. Some believe Disney wants to control their guest's mind through the power of smell.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:28] Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:28] Completely. Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:30] I'm going to say no, but I'll go to the side a little bit. Disney is like Disneyland. I've spent a lot of time at Disneyland and parks in general, and the thing about Disneyland is that it's so well planned out. Like I always say, if you like, have to go to the bathroom and you'll be like, I have to go bathroom. And then you turn around, there'll be like a bathroom right there, or like, I'm hungry. And then you're like, there's like a pretzel place, like right there. So it's like they even plan the the smell is part of the plan, but that's controlling the mind.

Sierra Katow: [00:35:53] But that's why that's how I feel.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:54] That's why I say yes, though, because it's like gambling, sports, gambling, you know, inevitably it's going to cross the line. Like it starts with guys who are like actuaries and they they compute all the data and they just know this team beat that team by two or more points or three or more points. Eventually there's too much money involved and someone goes, well, let's not guess, let's just fix it,

Sierra Katow: [00:36:14] Right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:14] And so if Disney figured out if they have enough money and they're like, well, we can this smell can prompt this thing. It may not be controlling your mind like when you leave the park, but in the park. Yeah I'm hungry. I'm this, I'm that. It's all.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:27] It's science. You can trigger people's emotions. You want people to be happy when they're at Disneyland. So you're going to identify like what smells Do the majority of people identify with happiness in their best memories? And you're gonna be like, okay, birthday cake and yeah.

Sierra Katow: [00:36:41] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:42] Unless you've had a terrible birthday As a child. And you'll be like, this is the fucking worst place I've ever been.

Sierra Katow: [00:36:47] Sure. But yeah, for I think it's. Yeah, like, every experience is controlled. And so maybe it's like around lunchtime they pump out like pizza.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:55] Hot dogs

Sierra Katow: [00:36:55] smell, I don't know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:56] Oh. And then. You're like. 

Sierra Katow: [00:36:57] Maybe around.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:57] Pizza.

Sierra Katow: [00:36:58] Yeah. Yeah. And then. Like yeah I mean it's it's all like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:00] How else can you Explain turkey legs. You know like.

Sierra Katow: [00:37:04] Right. Some reason I only want them when I'm in a theme park.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:07] Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:08] They have to overcome The logical approach to these parks, which is you don't eat at the park because the food's too expensive. So you like, you somehow like, eat a bunch of food before you're at the park and then starve while you're there, and then go home and eat, right? Right. But they're like, no, you can't do that. We're going to make you hungry.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:25] That's just like porn.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:26] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:26] Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:28] Well, thank God porn doesn't have a smelitzer.

Sierra Katow: [00:37:32] Oh, no, don't give him the idea.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:35] No, that's called college. Like a college dorm.

Sierra Katow: [00:37:38] Oh, God. Horrible.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:40] No. All right. Our last theory for today is also from the Daily Star. I don't know how I feel about this Daily Star.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:47] That's where I get all my news from.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:48] Okay. Not your porn. Okay. Um, anyways, it says that. Okay, here's the theory. Park employees have sworn they saw the animatronic figures blink or move while it's a small world was switched off.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:01] Yes. Absolutely.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:02] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:02] Those things Move.

Sierra Katow: [00:38:03] Yeah. Those things are pretty creepy. And they're kind of old fashioned. They're broken.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:08] So what are we asking?

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:09] I mean, Disneyland Is definitely Haunted.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:11] If they move or if the employees thought they saw them move.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:15] Yeah. That one,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:16] The second one. Yeah. Well, I think the employees, they might be baked, they might see whatever, but.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:22] That's just true. Well, aren't there people who go and try to scatter their family's ashes at Disneyland? Yeah. So, I mean, of course it's haunted. Like, there's going to be like people's souls caught in the little dolls on. It's a small world. Like, that's inevitable. Also, I just saw five nights at Fazbear's or Five. Nights at Freddy's.

Sierra Katow: [00:38:44] I was going to bring that up. Yeah. What do you think?

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:46] What I think of the movie. I thought it was a fun little movie. Scary if you like horror movies, but like. 

Sierra Katow: [00:38:53] Animatronics.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:54] I thought it was A little dumb. There was a point where I was just like, no one would ever do that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:58] Well, also, it's from The same people who brought you Megan, and I'm Like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:01] I actually liked Megan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:02] Megan was good people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:03] Like, I mean, like, you brought me Megan's. I don't I don't need to see this other one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:08] They're like, the thing that we Do as a production company is put children in danger. I will say there are children in danger, which is so uncomfortable to watch, but. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:18] I like watching Children in danger. Oh. What does that say.

Sierra Katow: [00:39:21] Oh,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:21] I mean,

Sierra Katow: [00:39:22] It sounds like you got to watch Five Nights at Freddy's.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:25] You'll like it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:25] It's also a real drama. Like, you know.

Sierra Katow: [00:39:27] Yeah. It's not some washed up adult who cares about him.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:31] What's funny is, like. It's not about. It's not that the animatronics have come to life. That's not the unrealistic part. It's some of their decisions. I'm like, that's not grounded in what a person would do. And I'm like, wait a second. We're talking about souls inhabiting animatronic deadly robots. So am I.

Sierra Katow: [00:39:47] Somehow the fact that the guy didn't just leave the premises. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:51] And Not go back. Right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:52] I guess movies have to. They have to sort of like suspend disbelief. Like whenever someone, like, walks into a room and a doll comes alive, or they see an old relative or anything like that, anything like, oh, there's a spirit that they can see and no one else can, and they always get over it in about three minutes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:10] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:10] And and I'm like, I guess they just need that to happen. The real thing is it would be like two days of like, what The fuck are you doing? 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:19] I listen, I love true crime and stuff, and one of the things that always trips me out with true crime is that they see like like they see a body on the side of the road or in a forest, but they're all the first thing they always think is it's a mannequin.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:28] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:29] And like, so I think your brain tries to do the mental gymnastics always to like be like try to find like an easy explanation for it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:36] So like, someone just had a mannequin in the Woods. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:37] And they just threw it in the woods, and then you walk closer, you're like, oh no, that's a dead body. Right? So I think the same way, like if we were to see like, like a ghost or something or somebody come back to life, we would just like, try to explain it in our head. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:47] Honestly. Yeah. Like every time I've had some sort of haunting experience, it's usually me for days being like, that's nothing. There's rats in my walls.

Sierra Katow: [00:40:55] Oh no,

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:56] There's definitely rats all over my apartment that I just don't see. And yeah, I'm definitely one of those big haunting deniers until my recent one. But we've already talked about that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:05] Why don't we share real quick our favorite rides from Disneyland if you guys have a favorite ride. So, Sierra, why don't we start with you? What's your favorite Ride?

Sierra Katow: [00:41:11] Probably. And this is a tough one. There's so many, so many great ones. I do love Indiana Jones,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:16] I guess. Disneyland. I just like the castle. That looks kind of cool.

Sierra Katow: [00:41:20] Just walking under that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:21] Yeah, yeah,

Sierra Katow: [00:41:22] It's a great dude.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:23] You're the worst. I'm never Going to Disneyland With you. Yeah,

Sierra Katow: [00:41:26] But, yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:27] Like we did it. I saw it, I saw it. I can go Now.

Sierra Katow: [00:41:30] You turn right Around and leave.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:31] And also the when you park that, like the shuttle that takes you to Disney. 

Sierra Katow: [00:41:35] Tram. The tram ride that counts. I definitely say that counts. It's the best because you're like, oh. We're going to Disney.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:42] It's like going to Vegas. It's like it's almost more exciting than Vegas. The drive. And when you, you know, you pass well Bakersfield and I guess like. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:50] The thermometer. 

Sierra Katow: [00:41:51] Primm. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:51] Like an hour later or Primm. Yes. And when you see the lights you can just turn around right there. Nothing's good is going to happen like you did it. Turn around.

Sierra Katow: [00:41:58] Go back before you drop $30,000.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:01] What is your favorite ride?

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:02] My favorite ride. Okay, so either the what's the log ride one, which is Splash Mountain. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:08] Splash Moutain which.

Sierra Katow: [00:42:09] Remodeling. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:09] Their Remodeling.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:10] So sad. And then the other one is Space Mountain.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:14] My favorite ride is the Jungle Cruise. I think when I was a kid, I wanted to, I wanted to work it. I actually worked the Universal Studios tram ride. I used to do the the thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:22] To the parking lot. That's the parking lot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:26] You see Animals on this thing, this jungle cruise

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:28] you see Like it's kind of racist. Oh, it's that kind of it's definitely racist. It comes from a different time when you could be racist against indigenous folks from different places.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:35] Right? Right.

Sierra Katow: [00:42:35] But but I know a little fact. I think Walt Disney fully went to like Papua New Guinea or something. And like it was like measuring skull like he's like definitely like there was some bad there was some like weird. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:48] But but I think it's fun. I like I think. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:49] It was normal at the time.

Sierra Katow: [00:42:50] They remodeled a lot of Jungle Cruise and then remodeling Splash Mountain. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:54] Because it was racist

Sierra Katow: [00:42:54] Tiana. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's based on that song of the South. It's like a pretty racist old cartoon, but now it's going to be based on Princess and the frong, which is really fun,

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:05] Which I like. I like that because honestly, nobody knew what was. Nobody knows What the heck is that. Like? And no one likes it. Thank you, Sierra, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you and find out what you're working on.

Sierra Katow: [00:43:21] Oh yeah. Thanks so much for having me. Such a fun discussion. Love anything cryogenics and Disney combined.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:28] That's what you're Talking about all the time.

Sierra Katow: [00:43:29] Yeah, basically this is the one podcast I can do. Yeah, I, I'm on Instagram mainly. I'm at Sierra Katow. Sierra Katow I also have a website Sierra katow.com same spelling where I post all my live shows. I'm typically just performing around Los Angeles and yeah, I'm I, I'm on TikTok as well. Everybody is. So yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. I had a great time.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:57] And thank you all so much for listening. There are almost 3 million podcasts, and we're honored you chose ours to listen to. And please check out our website, unofficial Official story.com for our show notes, or to hear our past episodes. And be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter, or X or whatever it's called today and now on TikTok as well. Be sure to tune in next month where we'll be answering the question, Did Jesus multiply sushi when he lived in Japan?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:28] Of course.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:29] Why are you looking at me? Because I'm Japanese.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:30] No, no, I just want to know what you think.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:33] But because. I'm Japanese. Because I'm sushi.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:36] I feel like. I just said that in a way that assumes he did live in Japan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:41] Yeah, I love it. I hope that happened, to be honest.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:43] Yeah. I mean, that's my sushi tastes so good,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:45] Right? Then which one did he multiply? We'll get into it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:48] Yeah, we'll Talk about that. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:49] No California rolls I hope.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:52] Only California rolls I hope.

Sierra Katow: [00:44:55] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:55] All right. Thank you guys. Thank you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:57] Thanks.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:57] Bye. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:58] Bye. 

Sierra Katow: [00:44:58] Bye.