S3E87 Hello Satan with Caitlin Alyn

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:04] Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is season three, Episode seven of the unofficial official story. I'm Koji and I am stressed out. I just came back from a baseball game.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:13] Wow. Well, I hope you guys got a lot of runs. I'm Dwayne and I'm not stressed out. I mean, I have enough to be stressed out about, but I just decided not to be. And I've got some shorts on. I got a trucker hat. I'm loving life.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:25] And I'm Cat and I'm a frazzled dog owner today. That's. That's me. I'm watching my boyfriend's dog and my own dog. And they they're really picky about where they go to the bathroom. So that's sort of where I'm at. I got to get to this podcast and my dogs are like, just, Yeah, but this isn't the right patch of grass.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:44] I can't poop in this park.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:48] And this is where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime, and by the end we'll tell you what really maybe happened. In this episode we ask is Hello Kitty Satanic or should we say hello? Demon?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:06] Right, But. But before we start, let's introduce our guest, comedian Caitlyn Alyn. Caitlyn Alyn is a comedian, writer, director and actress based in Hollywood. She currently creates content for big brands like Lyft, Chipotle and Sweetarts, as well as write jokes for the funny game show. Funny you should ask. And so do I. Her comedy show Valley Poppins has just been reviewed excuse me revived after shutting down during Covid and is almost every Tuesday at the higher path in Sherman Oaks. So if you're in California, come check her out.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:38] Oh, you're right by me in Sherman Oaks.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:01:40] Yeah, Please come on Tuesdays.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:42] Absolutely.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:42] So the show has been revived. What is? Describe the show without giving away too much. The Valley Poppins.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:01:48] Before the pandemic. I don't know if you guys know Mike Falzone. He's another comedian. And we we just realized like we need a place where we can work out and we don't want to do open mics. We want to have a real show. And I know there's a lot of comedians who who also need that space. And we found that Tuesday nights were pretty dead night. So before the pandemic, we were at a place called Oyster House. They shut down. So we were just kind of, you know, homeless for a while. And we just just landed the higher path. Like now we're in a dispensary, but.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:20] Oh, I see Higher Path and Poppins, I mean, it is the the list is not set in stone or in terms of who's going to be on.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:02:29] Of drop in spots basically. So like we book at least five or so and we give them 10 to 12 minutes. That's the other thing is a lot longer than like what you'd get in an open mic. And then we get so many drop ins. We have a lot of people who are like coming by and we'll give them five minutes drop in. So that's where the Poppins Part

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:46] If you're not a comedian, work out in this sense means get on stage and try out new jokes. Doesn't it mean do push ups and things of that nature. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:02:53] Like we could.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:54] Right, right, right. And poppin means you're not scheduled to be on a show, but you show up and they throw you on. It's called a poppin.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:02] Yeah. As a I'm not a comedian, so I'd love to find out. How did you become one?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:03:07] Trauma Mostly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:09] Usually is.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:03:10] I was going to say that's usually the answer. No, actually, I was working at the Laugh Factory. I was doing social media content creation over there, and we got paid peanuts and we didn't have any benefits. But the one thing that we did have was free shows. We could go to any of the shows and we'd usually get. I think we also got free beer, which what a healthy work environment.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:29] It's like a baseball game, peanuts.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:03:30] And health insurance. But here's a here's an IPA. Yeah, I would just like stay after work and I would watch and think very egotistically like I could do that, like I could do that. And I did a lot of improv and I had written a lot. I'd taken storytelling classes and stuff like that, acted in a lot of films, and I was like, Yeah, I think I could, I could do that. I actually it was a moment where I was watching Theo Von If you guys know him,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:52] Oh yeah.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:03:53] And he was just sitting up there just chatting, telling a story, and it was so funny. And I'm like, He made it look so easy, for better or for worse. And then one thing after another just kept falling in my lap. Opportunities to to do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:03] Very nice.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:04:04] I was running their Instagram page and I would roast a lot of the trolls and that caught attention of someone who taught a comedy class and she offered to give me the class for free. That's pretty funny Women, if you've heard of. Yeah, the rest is history. And that was a good set up for Funny you Should ask because it was all about how to write jokes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:22] I think we all have this thing that things should be hard and life is hard. And you know, but also when you're when something clicks in that is kind of like your thing. It's surprisingly easy. It's still hard, but it sort of like the path lights up. It's like when Michael Jackson and the Beat It video where the lights light up and he was like, This is where I should walk and not beat it. Billie Jean Excuse me. Yeah. So did that happen? Did that happen at comedy?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:04:44] Yeah, because, I mean, I'd been in LA for probably four years at that point, and I was just I mean, I thought that improv was going to be my thing. I was such a big Second City fan and like, loved Tina Fey and Amy Poehler and all these people. So I thought it was going to be improv. And I was at Second City hating it, and I was like, I don't like this. I'm too anxious for this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:03] You were like, Give me a place anywhere but here?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:05:06] Yeah, pretty much. I was just like, this, isn't it? But I didn't know what it was and I didn't think that standup was going to be it. But it just, like I said, just things kept falling in my lap. Like even when I was like, No, I shouldn't do this. And someone would come up to me the next day and be like, Hey, I'm hosting a comedy show. Or, you know, I have a comedy show and we need a host. And it just would like flop, just fall in. And the fact that I was at the Laugh Factory, I was and making content like I had big comedians coming in like all the time to shoot stuff, to have podcasts, to do all these things. And so I was networking very easily, which is a big part of it. And I was booking shows like Too Easily in the beginning, and now it's a bit after the pandemic. It's been way more of a struggle to get that momentum going. And that's why I'm so excited for Valley Poppins, because that was another place where I had a weekly built in time. We had different comics, good comics every week. So it really builds getting more shows to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:58] I didn't hear any trauma, though.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:06:00] That was childhood.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:01] Oh, childhood, right. That's a good. Yeah right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:03] Yeah I know. We're waiting for.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:06:06] Yeah. Oh yeah. No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:09] Is Hello Kitty. A product of a deal with Satan. So here's what snopes.com has to say about Hello Kitty. The rumor about the little felines being a tribute to the devil from a grateful parent whose child was spared from the cruel and inevitable fate of a life ending illness appears to be a backlash against all the cuteness and wholesomeness that is. Hello Kitty. So the rumor gained its start from a 2008 email rendered in Spanish, which asserted that the frantic parents of a 12 year old stricken with cancer of the mouth made a pact with the devil to bring worldwide fame to a character alluring to children in exchange for their daughter's return to hell. The email also asserts that Hello Kitty's lack of a mouth comes from the 12 year old girl's illness because the girl had cancer of the mouth. So the character created to spare her life lacks that feature.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:07:03] Interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:04] Could it be that maybe a guy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:06] What's. What's weird? What's weird about this? In 2008 is that Hello Kitty started in like the 1970s.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:13] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:13] So I don't understand how something that happened in 2008 has anything to do with what? Something that started in 1970.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:19] The email was from 2008, though.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:20] The emails from 2008.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:22] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:22] It's a culture thing, because it's something that started in Latin America. I think that's how I heard of it. I heard about it from my cousins in Nicaragua.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:30] The conspiracy?

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:31] The conspiracy. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:32] Conspiracy. Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:32] So it makes sense. I had no idea that the email was in Spanish, but now it makes sense. Whatever. That rumor was started somewhere,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:39] But It's from Japan.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:40] Down there. I know, but they wouldn't know that it was around from the 70s.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:07:45] That was the deal they made with the devil. Okay.The deal was okay, we'll help your daughter, but we need to help out Japan from this needs to be good for Japanese economics.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:55] So they went through a different timeline. Like Avengers?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:07:57] Yeah. Yeah. Just popped Over.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:59] No, no, it just. It was under wraps until 2008.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:01] Oh,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:02] It was under wraps. And then finally someone leaked in Spanish.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:08:06] 40 years of guilt.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:08] Maybe they were Peruvian. Like, there's a lot of Asians in Peru, right? I heard about That.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:13] I mean, it'd be more likely to be Brazil.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:15] Brazil,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:16] Brazil. Right. Because especially with Japanese.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:18] During world I mean, this is a super sized topic. Is World War two. The Peruvian government exiled all the Japanese from their country, gave them to the United States. And so all these Peruvian Japanese came to America and they were supposed to be traded. But then the Japanese government didn't want them because they're like Peruvian Japanese people. And the Brazil government didn't actually agree to terms with the United States. And so that's why the biggest population of Japanese outside of Japan is actually in Brazil. Sao Paulo,

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:44] Huh?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:45] Yeah. So but I have friends in Peru, Japanese friends in Peru, who's like, dad was like, they just went in the forest or jungle and just hid out. And then once they stopped looking for the Japanese, they just came back. So there are there are few there's not as many as it used to be.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:57] Interesting. But I guess maybe one of those people. Came up with this rumor because They were resentful about not getting to go back To Japan.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:05] So now, additionally, some claim that Hello Kitty was a desperate attempt to save Japan's reputation after they built a very controversial nuclear plant. This is what snopes.com had to say about this topic. It's crazy, though. Before I read this. The reputation should have been saved a long time before that. You know what I mean?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:24] Well, I think it's Because they were the only country that had nuclear weapons used against them. And then for them to have a nuclear power plant is like a thing.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:09:31] And you know what's going to fix that? A little cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:34] Right, Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:38] Bringing everyone Together.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:39] Well, you know. I mean, soft power is a thing. I mean, I was just shooting a movie in February in North Carolina, and ad my assistant director was super sad one day on set. And I was like, well, why are you so sad? And he's like, My girlfriend just broke up with me. I was like, Oh, I'm so sorry. And he proceeded to tell me it's because she likes K-Pop and she wants to date an Asian dude.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:59] Oh,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:00] And when I was young, no, nobody liked Asian men. Like, we were like, the lowest of the totem pole was like, it's the first time in North Carolina, like in a rural part of North Carolina, somebody was being left for a Korean guy that didn't exist in their life.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:13] So that's Very specific.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:15] Yeah. And so and that's soft power, though, right? That's totally that's just like watching K-Pop watching BTS or whatever and being like, I want a boyfriend that looks like that. That's crazy to me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:24] Like, I Don't feel okay. So you know how it was like for a long time, white dudes were like the apex of attraction. I don't think that was because they were coming in and like genociding everybody. I think that was from TV and movies because that's just who people saw.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:36] But on, on a on like race statistic, beauty, the standards actually always beat African-American men first.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:42] Oh,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:42] Good job, Dwayne then white men, Latino man and then Asian man. For women, it was the opposite. So Asian women, white women,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:50] Right

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:51] Latina and then black. But it's all because of stereotypes. So like, it's the stereotype for a guy is that masculine, super strong, that's black black men. And then for women, if you look At. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:11:00] Feminine, quiet.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:01] Asian women. Yeah. And for black women, it's strong, loud, obnoxious manliness. And so it's like really interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:08] But I think with with black men. And it was like, maybe that's true, that attraction thing. But there's a stigma too,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:13] Of course.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:13] But you always.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:11:14] So fetishized.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:14] Tall, dark and handsome. So then I think Italian guys or any white guy with a melanin.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:20] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:21] Like a, you know,

Caitlin Alyn: [00:11:22] Greek. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:22] Olive kind of skin tone. I think they owe black guys a little bit of a check because we. We laid the path work for you, you know what I mean? Because it's Like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:30] But being on top of that food chain is not great. I mean, like looking for Asian women, Asian American women. It's like being. Being quite. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:36] Fetishized

Caitlin Alyn: [00:11:36] Fetishized.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:37] Yeah. And it's like, but, but, you know, I've never met an Asian-American woman that didn't tell me what to do, right? Like, I've never met this quiet, demure Asian woman.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:45] That's the biggest Crock in the world. That's what that thing is, the biggest crock.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:48] Like, I've just never met that mean like I've looked. They don't exist because my mom was the head of the household here. My wife is the head of household here. Yeah. You know, it's like.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:11:56] I would say that's More of a clichés that the Asian woman is like the she's going to whoop your ass if you don't. You don't shape up.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:02] Tiger Mom.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:03] Tiger.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:03] Yeah, totally.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:12:04] Tiger mom.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:04] So anyway. This is what Snopes.com had to say about this topic. So I've heard from a couple. This is quote, I've heard from a couple of people that Hello Kitty, the famous flagship mascot of Japanese mascot design house Sanrio actually got her start as the mascot for a controversial nuclear plant in Japan in the early 70s. Question mark seems that given Japan's past with all things nuclear, the Japanese will understandably quite loath to having a nuclear plant opening on their soil. So the story goes, they hired Sanrio to create a people friendly mascot that they could use to brand all their official stationery, literature, advertisements, products, etcetera. That mascot was, of course, Hello Kitty, who became so popular with the Japanese general public that she and Sanrio took on a life of her own. And eventually everyone forgot about her power plant past and became the icon that she is today.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:55] This is Totally BS, by the way.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:57] Well, it's just the idea that anything so like, don't get me wrong, a cute mascot can go a long way. But because the thing too is that symbols change, it takes a while. It's like a ship moving. But symbols change. Even if a symbol is thought of as good, if it keeps getting attached to bad things, the general public will eventually think that thing is bad. It'll change. The perception will change. You know,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:17] All the Nazis needed was a good symbol.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:19] Right. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:19] Right.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:13:20] They say the Confederate flag. I'm like, Well, that was the first one that came to mind, although it's like, not good throughout, right? What I'm saying, I'm just like, it's such a symbol.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:28] But if they had a cute puppy, maybe they would be.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:13:30] Yeah, yeah. No, right. They needed to do a little more better marketing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:33] But the Confederate flag was on the General Lee and the Dukes of Hazzard, and everyone loved it. Everyone loved the Dukes of Hazzard.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:39] That's true.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:39] You know, it was like, well.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:13:40] Sometimes ignorance, too, plays a role,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:43] Right

Caitlin Alyn: [00:13:43] Like, not really realizing what that means is just a symbol that you correlate with Southern pride, for example. And then you realize, Oh, that's what that means. Yeah, boy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:54] So that is like having a kitty cat as the symbol of a nuclear plant is. So like, what's a diss? Not dysphoria. That is so like dystopic. It's such like an end of the world type of thing. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:06] Also And then you're telling us that it's not a cat. She's a girl. And then you're like, Oh, so does she look like a cat? Because she lived too close to a nuclear plant? Like.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:14:20] You know, she looked like a girl when she was born,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:22] Right.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:14:23] Wrong next to that nuclear plant.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:24] What a nuclear plant here, then?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:14:26] Yeah. It's like a kitty cat turn into a Cute kitty cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:29] But. But it's also like the the symbol for peace, right? Which is the Nazi symbol. Twisted. Right. So before the Nazis, like, if you take the Nazi symbol and I think you just turn it like like you rotate it 90 degrees, that is a symbol for peace.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:42] Buddha is a Buddhist.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:43] Buddhist symbol. Right. But if you see that symbol now, it doesn't matter if it's turned the right way, You you immediately go Nazi. So it's been taken over symbols.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:52] It's no longer.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:53] Right Symbols can the meaning of a symbol can sort of be Shifted.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:56] If there are any proud boys listening to us, I'm sure you just need to go to, you know, some marketing person.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:15:01] Yeah. Just rebrand.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:03] Yeah, just rebrand.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:15:04] To rebrand it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:05] Maybe some cute creature will help.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:06] That said, like fun fact though, about that symbol and the connection to Buddhism and Nazism. There's kind of a bastardized version of Hinduism that trickled into Nazism. So they didn't just randomly pick that symbol. I see there is a certain mythology and worldview that they did adapt because and this I read it, I have to cite my sources because I am not Hindu, so I could totally get this wrong. So if I'm wrong, blame a Conspirituality podcast and their episodes on Alexander Dugin and also the book about Steve Bannon called War for Eternity. So yeah, there's this kind of these beliefs that the world operates in these eras and that there was once an era of like strong hierarchy and that we need to destroy the current era to return to hierarchy and that that will establish peace and order. And, and for some people, that is a peaceful worldview. And then for the Nazis who had it, they're like, Yeah, let's destroy the world. And so. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:08] I Got this peace thing. I'm trying to do. Starts with me killing everyone.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:12] But. So there is actually a connection between that symbol and the Nazi symbol. It's not just a funny little coincidence that they liked it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:22] Well, it's also in Buddhism, too. Yeah. Okay. In 2014, I was lucky enough to oversee an exhibition at the Japanese American National Museum, where I learned too much about that character. Hello Kitty was created by Yuko Shimizu to sell products quicker. According to Sanrio, there is nothing satanic about this beloved character. The real reason why she does not have a mouth is because the creators wanted her emotions to be ambiguous so people can imagine her feelings the same way as they do easily.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:49] But based on this theory, it should be. She should just be a piece of paper.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:52] No, no, but. But if there's. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:53] A piece of Paper. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:54] Like if the mouth is up, then it's obviously she's smiling and you're feeling sad or if you're sad or anxious, like that's like they actually Sanrio This is something that they really push.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:03] I, I want them to test that. I would love to see like actual, like brain things stuck in.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:17:09] People's eyes is What What gives you the.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:12] The emotion?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:17:13] The emotion More. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:14] At this Moment, I would like you all to try something. It's a fun thing I do. I used to do with friends all the time and people listening. You can try it too. First, try to make your face where your eyes are happy, but your mouth is mad.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:17:26] I don't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:26] I wish you could See everybody's Face, not your eyes. So try to do what now? Where your eyes are mad but your face is happy. It's fun. It's fun. If you tried it at home, you're having fun right now.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:17:41] My brain is fritzing out, right? Trying to compute that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:44] I feel like I Look like a character. Like a puppet. Like an old man puppet.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:49] All right, so now we asked ChatGPT about Hello Kitty and her satanic connection, and this is what it came up with. So we're going to listen to it and then we'll react to it.

Chat GPT: [00:17:55] In a forgotten corner of the toy store, A Hello Kitty Plush exuded an eerie allure as Twilight fell. It came to life eyes turning crimson whispering promises of power. It led a child into darkness. The once cheerful room turned malevolent walls oozing shadows, giggles turned to screams as the child realized the plush was a conduit for an ancient malevolent force, toys warped into grotesque forms, and the child found themselves in a nightmare. The plush grinned wickedly absorbing their fear, the store remained forever closed, a chilling reminder that even the cutest can harbor the darkest evil.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:18:33] Oh, my God.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:34] Wow. You did not ask ChatGPT a neutral prompt for that. That was clearly Engineered.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:42] That's behind the curtain Cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:46] That's. That was a lot. Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:47] Well, what's funny is that she had a wicked smile, right? A grin grinned wickedly, which is what we're saying about the no mouth.

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:54] She has no Mouth.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:54] So that's. That's like the scariest part. Their mouth happened.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:18:58] Ooh.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:58] Pretty brutal. Just listening to that, you can see why I don't watch horror films. So do you think that these conspiracies have any merit to them? When we return, we'll talk about what really maybe happened.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:12] Okay, now that we've gone over the facts and then some, what do we really think about? Hello Kitty.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:20] I guess I'll go. And I would be remiss if I didn't mention there was a Hello Kitty murder in Hong Kong. These guys brutally murdered this girl. It was just. Just bummed me out this morning. I could. I was having such a great time. I had, like, a chai tea with steamed soy and cinnamon. It was really great. And then I had to read these stories, and it just. It just took me out of it. Yeah. And from that point on, even the refill didn't taste as good. The free refill I got at Starbucks was, um, part of the gold member program. So anyway.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:19:49] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:52] Dude you talk so much about Starbucks? It's like, you should get too much. You should get paid by Starbucks.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:56] But. But you know,

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:57] What about Panera?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:58] I'm still I'm still promoting the Panera membership. I'm with the SIP Club. Um, but I still dip into Starbucks. I shouldn't because I'm. There's no reason to go to Starbucks. But the Wi-Fi is better and they have different teas anyway. They start like Panera. If you got chai tea, that would go. That would do a lot. Like. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:19] They Don't have chai tea what the hell.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:20] No, not like like, like the self-help tea, like the self-serve tea and I think. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:25] I want some Self-help tea. That sounds amazing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:26] Self-serve. Self-serve.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:20:27] A lot of self-help tea.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:28] There's a few flavors you could do away with, too. Panera. Like, obviously, you keep the British breakfast Mango. I digress. I digress. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So anyway.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:20:39] Is anyone from Panera listening?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:42] So anyway, there was this murder, and it's really crazy. They killed this girl and they put her on of her body into a Hello Kitty doll. You know.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:20:49] How big of the Doll are we talking here?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:52] I think just. Just what I'm saying. I think just her head. It was a pretty big doll. And.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:20:57] Oh, my God,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:58] It's Really, really sad. So I don't my theory is not really related to that. But I do think I bring it up only because there's some kind of evil there. And my personal belief is most things from the Bible are.

Cat Alvarado: [00:21:11] True 100% and Word for word.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:14] Yeah. Any religion, the the rules and such and the stories. I think, man and I have faith, but I think man concocted them for a good reason. So like don't eat pork was a thing like is back in the day pork was not as healthy. So so my theory is a little self-serving, I will say that. But I think men across the country will appreciate it. So I think Hello Kitty is not it wasn't meant to be satanic, but over the years, I think there's been some sort of attachment. And I think I think you're safe from it if you have 1 or 2. But I think you put yourself in grave danger if you're over 30 and you have more than four Hello Kitty. Anything, dolls, pencil case holders. Then. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:21:58] There's three or more of me there I am the Bible verse.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:03] So that sounds a bit like. Like it's. It's like a satanic, ritualistic thing. Like it creates a trifecta, like crystals out.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:12] Exactly. So. And it only kicks in if you're over 30. So if you're under 30 have added once you turn 30. Clear out your Hello Kitty stuff. Keep one doll. But if you're listening and you're over 30, you have more than three Hello Kitty Anything you're putting yourself in grave danger because the three sync up and it becomes a portal for Evil to Come and find you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:33] What if you're a dude and have more than three.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:35] Dude to anybody? Anybody. But the reason why I'm saying it helps, dude, is because you may some guy listening may have a wife or girlfriend who's, you know, 36 and really into the Hello Kitty thing. And by the way, I don't want to get sued, but there may be the same thing may exist with Mickey Mouse. So if you're over 30. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:22:51] That were the case A lot of nerds be dying.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:55] I know, right? No, you're right. So that's my theory. I don't think. Hello Kitty. It wasn't meant to be evil, but somehow there's been some sort of attachment, and you're safe if you are either under 30 or over 30. And keep it to, like, two things in your house at one given time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:10] Okay, So my. My theory is that Hello Kitty is not satanic. We're actually. It's actually a gray alien.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:15] Oh, boy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:15] Yeah, because there's no mouth, Right? So the gray aliens are known to speak telepathically.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:20] Okay, that's True. That's true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:23] They're small, like gray aliens are small. Right. I went and looked on. What are gray aliens online. Right. And they're small stature. They have small arms. Hello. Kitty's arms are really small.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:32] Never pick up a check.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:33] Yeah

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:33] go Ahead.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:34] But gray and gray could be white, right? If you like. Kind of. Yes. Yes. If you close your eyes a little bit, there's no both of them don't have sexual organs. Right. That's a very common trait in the gray aliens.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:45] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:45] They both like child like gray aliens and Hello Kitty and the gray alien. I mean, one big difference between gray aliens and the kind of Hello Kitty is that the nose and ears, one of the big features of a gray alien is they don't have either. The saving grace is that there's this theory online. We talk about it a lot where aliens are gray aliens and who created Hello Kitty.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:06] There you go.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:06] Asians.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:07] Asians. Oh, all right. So it all works together. And so so my part of my theory is that in 1974, when Hello Kitty was was born, is that it was Japan's attempt at alien disclosure.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:19] Oh, I love this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:20] That aliens actually exist. And but they couldn't just say it or else, like, freak everybody out.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:25] Right. Which is why She's not a cat. She's. She's human. It's a human.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:24:29] But it doesn't look human at all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:32] Exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:32] Right. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:33] There you Go. So that's my theory right there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:35] I love that. Absolutely. Love it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:37] I'm into it. I'm into it. Here's my theory. I think that. Okay, so in Latin America, people don't like cats. At least like in Nicaragua, people don't have cats as pets. They think that is super, super weird. And we have cats and my mom's house, we have two. And when we told our family that we had cats, they were super grossed out and they were like, like what? Why? Why would you have a cat? Those are like rats or insects. So I think that when Hello Kitty became popular in Latin America, people were just really, really confused because they hate cats. They're like, Why on earth? Why wouldn't this be a parrot? We have parrots as pets. This should be a parrot. It should have been like, Hello Polly, Polly the parrot. And. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:25] We Should start this.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:26] They, like, just could not reconcile it because they hate cats so much. They're they're like the only way that people in the whole entire world could like, Hello Kitty is if it was satanic. There is absolutely no way people could not hate cats. So they came up with that theory. They're like, someone sold their soul to the devil in order For cats to be likable.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:49] So it is Satanic, then?

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:50] Yes. Well, no. To them, that was the only way that they could reconcile. Hello Kitty being cute and popular. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:56] I like that theory. It's like and I like this guy. I'm just joking. But it's kind of like trying to explain Tom Arnold's success. You're like, Oh, it must be. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:26:04] Like Why Billy Crystal was in rom Coms,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:07] Right?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:26:09] My whole life I've been Like, This is the Guy

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:12] right?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:26:12] Like, what is the lead.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:13] With Meg Ryan?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:26:14] With fucking Meg Ryan?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:16] It's because he looked like whoever wrote those movies.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:26:18] Oh, 1,000%. There was a really unattractive, short Jewish man writing all those screenplays mean like, finally.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:26] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:28] That's a great theory.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:28] I love that theory too.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:30] That is my theory. But I have another theory. Okay. So my second theory is that the communist government of Venezuela was angry about Hello Kitty getting popular because they don't like American slash non Venezuelan Latin American culture kind of just seeping in and taking shit over. So they spread a rumor, a propaganda all over to squash it before people liked it too much. And it would take over because as Dwayne and I were talking about earlier, all these symbols that are really popular from like McDonald's, KFC, it's everywhere it's taken. Over like it's colonized without being officially colonized.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:10] Yeah, it's a It's a cultural colonization. And it's like I've been to the Great Wall of China. I think two times and one entrance of the Great Wall. There's a Burger King.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:27:18] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:18] And it's like, just. Just doesn't feel right, you know what I mean? Now, did I get a Whopper meal? Yes, I did But. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:27:25] Did I contribute to the problem? Yes, I did.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:28] I do feel like to McDonald's credit, they actually have like slightly culturally specific meals.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:35] They do. They do.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:35] So you can get Indian food at a McDonald's in India. But it's still weird American symbol.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:42] It's more like Indian inspired food as opposed to like.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:27:46] Oh, boy. I mean, you guys really put in some some thought into these theories. I think that Hello Kitty is satanic specifically, and that goes into me not believing in Satan. So it's kind of hard for me to be like, Yeah, I think that there's any kind of Satan or devil influence now, I will say, picking up on some evil residue somewhere in the mix for sure. But I think that the devil lives in us.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:15] Interesting.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:28:15] You know, like there's good and evil in everyone. So I just think that for some reason, this particular totem, I think, definitely leans in the direction of evil for some reason to me, and this is just an intuitive pickup. Okay. I don't really have any logic behind this. This is a feeling. This is a sense. But usually, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire. And if there's a lot of controversy around a person, a place or a thing, I tend to think it's the person, the place or the thing. Now, I definitely don't buy into the my daughter is dying of cancer, so I'm going to create a Japanese doll with the devil that'll fix it. I don't know why the devil cares about Japan. I don't know why. You know, like, why? Why is the devil making deals? Being like, Fine, I'll help you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:59] Have you tried the sushi?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:29:00] Yeah. Yeah. Now that might be satanic or something. Yeah, it's so good. But yeah, I don't. I don't think that's the story. I do find it interesting with that not having the mouth. There's something there that seems evil to me for some reason. But I also think anytime somebody makes something that's supposed to be so pure and perfect and happy and all this stuff, it's like, what's behind the purity and the, the the light and all that stuff. Because wherever there's light, there has to be dark. So I'm just I do think there's evil, but I don't think it's the devil specifically.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:34] And do you think it was created to be evil or somehow attracted evil?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:29:38] I guess it Depends on what you think about money. And is money evil? Because I think that's why this was made.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:43] So since We've discussed all of this, what do you guys think is the best Theory?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:47] I want to chime in, but I want to ask ask Caitlin something. You said you don't believe in the devil, right?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:29:52] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:53] But do you believe in God? I'm just trying to.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:29:55] Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:56] Okay.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:29:56] I just don't believe in. But you believe in evil, Like. Like there's the sun, but, like, the moon doesn't produce inky blackness. The moon is just. Or the darkness. Just absence of light. So there is no evil entity.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:10] And then there's.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:10] There's absence of good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:12] Okay, so an evil lives in us. There's evil, but there's no devil in the sense that's kind of.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:17] Just be like a lack of good. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:18] That's what makes us human. Otherwise we would just be God.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:20] I see. I see.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:21] So I don't disagree with that. I think there's something to that because when you meet people who are like really messed up psychos, usually just like they lack empathy.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:29] Yeah, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:30] But it means that God would be both good and evil. Then in a sense,

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:34] No, we're human. We're in the meat suits. The meat suits. What's. What's provides the shadow? The darkness.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:40] It sounds like critical race theory right now.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:42] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:42] Empathy. Critical.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:43] Say meat suits.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:45] Yeah. You're in a flesh bag.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:46] Okay.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:47] You're human.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:47] My brain just went to that movie. Everything. Everywhere, all at once. I just went to the sausage fingers.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:30:52] Oh.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:53] I didn't like that part of that movie. I like it. Theory. I like it. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:56] So which theory Are you going to go with? Dwayne.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:58] Okay. Cat, I liked your first one. I like. I loved your second one. I don't mind mine only because it's going to make someone somewhere clear out some Hello Kitty stuff, which I think is not a bad thing. Someone who's who's too old to have.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:31:09] Sure.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:10] Based on my opinion. But I got to go with Koji's. I just feel like we talk about great aliens a lot here. We just had a like a sort of emergency, quote unquote podcast where we talk about where they have admitted that they're aliens. I just love the idea that an alien or someone who. Quote unquote, is part alien develop this sort of alien way to reveal the truth. I like that. I like because we always talk about that like governments giving you a little bit of something to get you ready.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:38] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:39] And that's why. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:39] To prime. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:40] People like, like we always talk about people in movies, talk about how there are good aliens and bad aliens. And so, like, when we see an alien, it's not necessarily we freak out because it could be like E.T.,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:49] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:50] Or they could be like the aliens from aliens and Predators or something. And that's a bad one

Caitlin Alyn: [00:31:53] Trying to eat Everybody.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:54] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:55] Yeah. And it's like PR it's good alien PR in a sense. The Hello Kitty thing, you know? So I like I like that theory.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:03] Cat Which Theory are you going to go With?

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:04] Okay, I think I have to go with my own. The communist propaganda theory.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:09] I like that one to.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:10] I think I feel it because one time this was a few years ago, my mom got a chain letter. My my citation is of a chain letter as evidence of this from somebody from a Venezuelan person forwarded it to a friend of mine, mom's in Nicaragua, who forwarded to her that Venezuela was like banning Mickey Mouse because they hate America. And so therefore they could totally do that with Hello Kitty. That's my evidence. It's not good evidence at all. Those are terrible research practices. Do not base any life decision on research practices that involve chain letters. I just I have to say that as a disclosure.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:50] Well, okay. First, I should have said a disclosure on my end is that I would love to write a Hello Kitty movie or TV show from Sanrio. So don't believe any of this Sanrio. So please, if you consider writing, need a writer for Sanrio. I've talked to them before about writing their stuff. I would love to write it. I love Hello Kitty.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:07] You know, that makes me think we should have a little disclaimer at the beginning of our podcast where we go. The views of this podcast are not are not necessarily the views of this podcast.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:18] You can still hire us for, you know, for, for Starbucks or for Sanrio or anything like that. A Panera Bread. But, but I'm, I'm voting for mine only because I do you know, I was super excited when I started thinking like about Grey's and Hello Kitty.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:33] I feel like you really want Asians to be aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:35] Yeah, we do. I do.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:36] What's crazy is that his was crazy about it. Is that. I don't know if you guys watched the show suits. I've been. I've been plowing through.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:33:44] I feel Like you talk about suits almost every time I see you. I think you Drop a suits In there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:48] Have we been talking? Have I? Yeah, maybe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:51] When you said Suits, when you said meet suits, he was like suits. What suit?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:54] Talked about it on stage. I forget what Show that it was.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:33:56] It was Sean Pawlowski's social media meltdowns. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:59] Yes. Well, the thing is, is that there's this character who just keeps doing the wrong thing. Right. And somehow the writing is pretty good. It's sort of like you're still a little bit surprised because you're like, I can't believe this guy is going to do it again. And maybe that's just human nature. Maybe people don't change. So when you said the alien thing. Koji, I'm like, How could I be surprised that Koji went to aliens? This is what he does. When you said it, I was like, Oh, I didn't see that coming. I don't know how I didn't see it coming. That's the crazy thing. But. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:34:28] This conspiracy always goes back to. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:30] Asians.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:30] Typically. Typically,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:32] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:32] Typically. Mine always goes back to that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:33] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:33] All right. So. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:34] I like yours a lot, and I'm usually anti-capitalist, but I'm going to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:38] Yeah. So right now it's 2 to 1. So you're.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:34:41] Oh, boy. Honestly, none of these make sense to me. I'm going to be Real. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:47] As they should not as they should not.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:34:49] Yes, but if it's me, and am I going to go with something believable, like communism or something a little far off, like little grey men? I'm going to go with the aliens every time. I just feel like it's a more exciting narrative. I'm sorry if it was Like if This was if this was real, which it isn't. This was clearly just made by a company to sell to kids. If there was an alternate narrative, I would hope that it was these really creative little aliens making this cat woman creature for everybody.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:20] Nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:21] Oh, man. Sorry. We are too far removed from the Cold War.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:25] Right?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:35:26] You know, that's what a lot of people keep saying. I keep hearing people say that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:29] Well, that is the official story. You guys. When we return, we'll discuss other cartoon-related conspiracy theories.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:38] Okay, everyone. I will list a few theories about some beloved animated characters and then decide which one is true. Here are the theories. One. Garfield has been alone this entire time, slowly starving to death and imagining everything.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:51] What do you guys Think about that? Up or down?

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:53] Up? I think that is on the money. I think he is wishing that his dad would make him lasagna, but his dad doesn't exist. He's a stray cat in Venezuela.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:03] Right? I would say yes, only because Garfield is fat. And I think it's like in they say when you like when someone's about to die, your life flashes in front of you. And maybe that moment you're about to die that has its own infinite infinity to it. And you can just in that second think of everything and live in that space. So I think, yeah, if this cat was starving, he would be fantasizing about being a fat cat somewhere.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:28] I give a thumbs up as well. I think this sounds realistic.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:36:31] Sorry, I'm going to be a naysayer and say, no, this is not real. Why do that? Why? Why? Why do this to yourself? Why? Why create this Whole show and be like, you know, but it's all a dream. Like what writer does?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:42] Hallucination?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:36:43] Yeah, it's all just made up. Yep.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:45] I feel Ozarks was all a dream show. Ozarks, Ozark Ozarks. I'm not sure.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:36:49] I mean, I feel. Like there's so many. I mean, that's why it's a trope because it's just like, it's a way to get out of narratives and stuff because they all asleep.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:57] They all almost died. And so that means they were all in some kind of limbo. Anyway, that's neither. Here nor there.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:37:01] I was going To say, who's watching Ozarks. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:03] Next Dwayne, 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:04] Okay. Tom and Jerry are actually friends.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:07] Well, I'll go on this. I had a cat and dog and my cat and dog when they were in public with other people watching, they hated each other. They'd chase each other and bite each try to bite each other or scratch. But when I'd watch them on camera and they'd cuddle together at night and during the day. And so I think that, you know, they want to push the agenda that cats and dogs don't like each other, but in reality, they, they actually are friends.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:37:29] So sick of that narrative.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:30] I'm going to Go ahead and disagree because I've been watching a pit bull lately. It's my boyfriend's pit bull. And any time we see a cat out in public, which that actually supports your theory, he tries to eat it and murder it times infinity. I don't think they would nope.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:45] I'm going to say yes, they are friends, especially since this was a TV show. They were just they were on the clock. And then while they're on the clock, they have to argue and fight when they get off the clock. They're not fighting anymore. And I don't know, I go back to Strom Thurmond.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:58] That's weirdly political.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:00] Politician. Yeah, because his rhetoric was, I think, sort of separationist and, you know, a bit anti-black. But then he had a black he had a black kid, though. So so he was doing all that talking and then sliding off and getting some of the brown sugar. So. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:38:17] I this one checks out for me. I do think that they could be friends. I could see it. I'm seeing that that maybe there was some backstory with like the the owner, the master of one of these animals and that they're trying to work together to make sure they both survive. And so it's all just the theatrics. I think that's a that makes sense to me from a from a writer's standpoint, like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:38] Absolutely.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:38:38] It adds to the story to have them actually just that's the.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:41] That's the. Subtext.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:38:42] That's the subtext there. And it's that's believable to me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:45] Right, Right. And sometimes Jerry just needs Tom's whisker to, like, play the guitar, doesn't need to take his whisker and. Yeah, yeah.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:38:53] I mean, to me, if anything, they're siblings. Like, I know that's impossible because they're two different animals, but it's just giving. It's giving like sister vibes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:00] Hello Kitty is a is a girl, so anything's possible.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:39:03] That's true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:03] Anything is possible. All right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:05] The next one is The Flintstones actually live in a post-apocalyptic world.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:10] So. So what's crazy about this is The Jetsons is the actual society. And then there is something that happened that went crazy that it became the Flintstones. That's why they have this. They're oddly have a lot of technology, right? But they're also in the Stone Age.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:39:24] But the dinosaurs.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:25] The dinosaurs. Yeah.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:39:27] That kills the theory.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:28] You can't bring it back.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:28] Well, no, but I mean, they're trying to rebuild, redo the mammoths.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:31] Or maybe this is like post Jurassic Park, Like, okay, so here's how it goes. It goes Jetsons, then a Jurassic Park type of of a world happens. Then the Dinosaurs come Back and they are all over the world. Maybe that's.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:39:45] Stretching it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:45] How the apocalypse happens, Everyone dies except for a remaining few and they have to make it work. Flintstones.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:54] I love this theory. Yeah, I love this theory because and I think also it's good. It's good for us to think this way because we take a lot for granted. And if we don't do the right thing, if we do blow ourselves up, we could completely set ourselves back centuries. And it ties into like, I think it was Einstein who said, I don't know how we're going to fight World War three, but I know World War Four we'll fight with sticks and stones. So basically, whatever World War Three is, it's going to destroy the world. And we're going to be back to the to the basics.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:40:25] I wouldn't mind it. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:26] Sticks and stones. Yeah, because then you wouldn't have to post anything, right? You would be Like, just. No more content, you Know. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:40:32] We're getting so far. Off humanity track to me and everything's turning into robots and computers and stuff, I would not mind just hit the refresh button a little bit. That part makes sense to me. But the dinosaurs is a big clincher for me. I'm sorry. I just it's not adding up.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:48] And four this one, I guess we could just ask the people who wrote Toy Story three. But Toy Story three is an allegory for the Holocaust.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:56] Why don't you. Why don't you read the whole thing that way? There's context on this one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:00] So here's why people think this. First, the toys were forced to leave their home and then find themselves at Sunnyside Daycare, where they are imprisoned, routinely mistreated and injured. Near the film's climax, there is a scene that looks like they're all about the parish in an incinerator together. If you replace a few of those key characters and locations with some of the victims and perpetrators of World War Two, this is disturbing. There's a disturbing similarity.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:27] You know, you could really replace anything in any movie with a lot of things. Maybe just replace the whole Plot. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:41:32] And hero's journey.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:33] It's all the Holocaust.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:35] Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to say no on this one only because, yeah, it would be a weird way to teach kids about it. I don't know.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:41:42] I don't think that's why you do it. I don't think you do it to teach kids about the Holocaust. I think if anything, it's it's yeah, it's almost like an allegorical kind of story that you use maybe as inspiration. If anything, like here's something. What's the most awful thing that could happen to these characters? Well, the Holocaust was pretty freaking bad. Let's use that as kind of a plot. Outline,

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:02] Except for here's the difference. You're not killing all 4 million, 6 million of these toys so that there's none left on the planet with that aim. So it's. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:42:11] Yeah. They're missing a dictator character or somebody who's like, you know, I think that the meaning or like the the what do you call it? Like why they're doing what they're doing isn't really there.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:23] Yeah, I don't want to bring down the mood of the podcast. We're all being very jolly, but I think it kind of completely you can't compare something to the Holocaust without understanding, like thinking about like the just massiveness, like, can you imagine a stadium like Dodger Stadium full of people, right? What's that, like ten? I don't know how many.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:44] It's 55,000.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:45] 55,000 people. Okay. That's like not even 10% of 1 million, right? How many? I'm bad at math in my head, which is weird because I've been a statistician for many years. Professionally.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:57] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:58] That's a lot of Dodger stadiums. That's a lot of freaking. Have you ever tried to leave Dodger Stadium during a game?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:04] I have.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:05] That's a lot of effing People,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:06] Which Is why people come to Dodger Stadium the third inning and leave the seventh inning. It's just completely ridiculous.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:11] So it Would be. It would be like toy. Like Toy Story three would be like the Holocaust if they went to a warehouse full of Barbie dolls and Woody's and like Buzz Lightyear's and then burnt that to a crisp and then went to another warehouse and then went to all of the warehouses where you find all of the toys and destroyed all of those toys and then did that all again.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:36] That's the version. That didn't test well. Though,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:38] Right?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:43:38] Yeah. Yeah. Wonder why.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:41] And you would need years of people denying that it was happening and being complicit, you know what I mean? And also it's it's it would be an allegory to any group of people.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:43:52] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:52] You know, dicking over any other group of people. So it doesn't even have to be the Holocaust. It's just people hurting.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:43:57] Incinerator not to be dark. I think the incinerator part is maybe the piece that might be the part that people are sticking with.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:04] So whoever made this theory like good job identifying incinerators.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:08] And also. And also no one says that Toy Story three didn't happen. So there's that, too.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:13] Yeah, we can all agree.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:14] Did it really happen?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:15] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:17] Did we really know it happened? I mean, because I think going back to the Mandela effect, I mean, I think Sinbad made a movie called Shazam.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:23] No, that's crazy. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:24] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:25] Did he though?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:26] I in my Timeline. In the timeline I was in, it totally happened.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:30] That happened, I believe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:32] Yeah. I was totally alive. When. 

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:34] I heard that he took all the he literally bought all the the. That's. Have you done that one on the show because that's a great one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:40] Did Shazam happen?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:41] Shazam happened because there's so many theories.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:44] It's the Mandela effect.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:45] Mandela effect. Yeah.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:46] And the Sinbad. But there was I thought I saw an interview where now this could be the Mandela effect that he talks about that he was so embarrassed by the film that he went and bought like every.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:56] No, no. The theory is it doesn't exist. It never. Existed.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:44:59] I know. I'm saying there's another Theory

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:00] okay?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:00] But I have such a memory of it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:03] Yeah, I swear it happened.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:04] Yeah. Yeah. I think.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:45:06] Everybody has that Same memory.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:07] It's just Timelines overlapped.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:45:09] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:09] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:10] Overlapping of spheres of not timelines. What is it called. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:14] That's Going to happen so much more in the future? Like fast forward ten, 15 years when everybody who's like currently in elementary school and high school, like they're going to like the whole War of Northern Aggression thing versus the Civil War, not to get too political here, but yeah, once all these schools start teaching totally different versions of history. It's going to be a weird world like the Mandela effect will be so much more.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:36] I mean, half The country believes that the election was stolen and there's like all this evidence and the other half is like, what the fuck are you talking. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:44] Literally The judges. Yeah.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:45:46] Confirmation bias is a crazy thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:50] So thank you, Caitlin, for joining us. Please tell us where the audience can find you.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:45:55] Caitlin Alyn on all the platforms. And that's Alyn. So come find me. Come to Valley Poppins on Tuesdays.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:02] Maybe you want To spell Caitlin Too.

Caitlin Alyn: [00:46:03] C a i t l. I. N a l y n.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:08] See because I spell Caitlin k and then the letter eight and l.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:13] That's Very common.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:16] Mistake.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:16] Right. Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:18] So you got to specify. And thank you all so much for listening. There are almost 3 million podcasts and we're honored you chose ours to listen to. And please check out our website. Unofficial official story.com for our show notes or to hear our past episodes and be sure to follow us on Instagram, Twitter or X or whatever it's called today and now on TikTok as well. And next month we will discuss did Walt Disney create Frozen as a distraction?

Caitlin Alyn: [00:46:50] Definitely created as a headache to watch.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:53] Distraction from what? That he's frozen.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:55] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:00] See you guys.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:00] Thank you For listening.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:01] Bye, everyone.