S4E11 The Devil and Ted Bundy Unraveling Notorious Crimes

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Cat Alvarado: [00:00:00] How would you seduce a serial killer? Do you think you'd survive?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:03] Well, I don't think I'd seduce them in the sense of like, hey, big fella, you know? But I would, uh, definitely make them feel like they were the man. You know, I'd be like, tell me how you did it, and you just got to get them talking about themselves.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:16] I feel like the context for me would be like, okay, if I can seduce them, we can take them out, like, the FBI is going to come in, like from the ceiling, and we're going to like how you seduce the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. I don't know, a musical theater dork. I'd like, cut myself a little and be bleeding and be like, oh, no. Do you like that way? Do you like this blood?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:37] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:38] So in your scenario, the FBI is like, right outside.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:41] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:42] Okay. That's helpful.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:43] But. But I would have, like, been building this up. Like, I would have built up a relationship and trust and, like, had fake pictures of murders that I've done.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:51] Right, right. I like that I would I would just compliment them like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:53] There are two kinds of Serial killers. Sometimes they get angry, so they want to kill you more. But you try to do things like that. But like one of one of the things that like to your to your point. Um, I teach screenwriting, right. And when I teach screenwriting, I teach people how to survive crimes. One of the ones I teach is that you want to be gross. The grosser you are, the more like so like if you just like. Like you should poop on yourself and you pee on yourself. And then, like, nobody wants to touch a person that pooped on their self. Literally, like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:16] Like not even to kill you. They're just like, ah, I'm out.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:19] Yeah. Like, I mean, think about it like, if you were gonna, like, kick the shit out of somebody and they literally shit, you're probably not gonna keep kicking the shit out of them. You'll be like,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:26] Right? Cause it's. The job's been done already.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:28] Well, yeah, but also. But I'd rather shit on myself than get than get killed by a serial killer,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:35] Right? Right. I like that, I like that, but.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:37] I need to not be chronically constipated then.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:39] I feel like peeing on yourself. Any of that is. It's way harder than you think. You know, once you get potty trained.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:44] Oh, I practice. This all the time. I practice this all the time.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:01:46] I'm practicing right now. I feel like they would kill you sooner. Like, if I just shit on myself, then they'd be like, oh, no more for this bitch. Slice, slice like this,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:00] Right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:00] I have no more use. She seen my face.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:02] Mess up my rug?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:02:03] Yeah, right. I try to be a partner in crime. I like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:07] To seduce them. Like Ken and Barbie killers.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:02:10] Yeah, like we could kill twice as many people. My guy. Like, let's. Let's talk about this. Let's see. Or act like you like it when he cut you. Oh, I like that cut. When they get mad,

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:19] It Reminds me of, like, Armie Hammer, how he was trying to convince women that he could, like, eat them and, like, cut a little piece off of them and, like, barbecue it. That's it.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:02:26] Mhm. Give me more, daddy. That's why I taste delicious.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:30] That's on Max. You can watch that documentary. Two thumbs up.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:33] What was he really doing that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:35] He's talking about cannibalism.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:37] Wow. That's crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:38] Oh, it's a good doc. Watch it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:40] This is the same guy that's, uh. Is he an actor, too?

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:43] Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:43] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:44] Not anymore. But he was.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:45] He's heir to the Armand Hammer. Mhm. Like Fortune.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:49] Maybe.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:02:50] Yes. Their whole family, like the House of hammer is the show, right. Yeah I watched it as well. It was a mess. And then I went into a into a deep dive for their whole family. It's ridiculous.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:59] I'm gonna have to check that out.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:00] Mhm. Definitely check it out.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:02] Baking soda. Not to be confused with baking powder. That's a different that's a different thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:10] Welcome welcome welcome. This is season four, episode 11 of the award winning unofficial official story. I'm Cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:21] I'm Dwayne.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:21] And I am Koji.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:23] And this is where we tell you the official story. We look at the paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids, and true crime. And by the end, we'll tell you what really maybe happened.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:36] And if you like the podcast, please share it with your friends, family, and even your enemies. You'll be doing a lot to help us keep bringing exciting and fun content every month.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:45] This February, my family and I are celebrating the 36th anniversary of the execution of.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:51] Your Family?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:53] One of the most Notorious serial killers, Ted Bundy. And we're asking a very important question. Was Ted Bundy encouraged by the devil?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:02] But first, let's let's introduce our guest, comedian Vanessa Graddick. Vannetick is Vanessa. Scuse me. Vanessa is my phonetic.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:09] I like Vannetick.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:10] Vanessa is a really good friend of mine, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna look at this bio. I'm gonna read most of it. She started comedy after, uh, her mom was sick. She's from Minnesota, so let's get that straight. Let's get that out the way right now. She's Minnesota. Everything. And, um, she started comedy in 2006, which I love that you you say the date because most people, they like, finesse it depending on how good they are and if they're not good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:34] But you started 2006. So that's a long time ago. So you could be like, yeah,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:04:38] November 1st, 2006. Yep.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:40] Found out her mom was sick. And rather than process adult emotions like an average person, she decided to try stand up comedy for the first time, which I think is a very comic thing to do. So.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:50] Yeah, it sounds about right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:51] Yeah. You ever you're really a comic before you even start. And this proves that.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:04:56] It's like, go to therapy. No, get on stage. How about that?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:58] Exactly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:59] That's like. That's like Porn. Oh, sorry.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:05:01] Yeah. That was next. If comedy wouldn't work out.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:05] I mean, it's like. It's like the Hawk Tua girl. There's only like, two choices that she had, right? One was either OnlyFans or creating her own meme coin. She went the meme coin way, but she could have easily gone the OnlyFans way to.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:15] Isn't the girl from the, uh, Bernie Mac Show maybe doing some kind of OnlyFans thing?

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:22] Probably. But let's finish this bio.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:25] Sorry.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:05:26] Yeah, just Say what you know, quit reading.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:28] And. Guys know me. Let me tell you. Let me tell you one thing. Whenever you ask if someone has an OnlyFans, you have to do it exactly the way I did it. You have to be super. I don't know about it, like. Didn't I? Maybe I had heard. No, but Vanessa's hilarious. She's done all the shows. We worked together on a show called funny you should ask where, um. She's hilarious. Was actually my boss for a little while. She's a great boss. And, um. Yeah, we're really excited to have you here. And thank you for joining us. This is really one of my one of my best friends in comedy, which, uh, I don't just throw around lightly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:05] Wow. How are you?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:06] I am good, I am trying to clear my throat from all the ash in the air, but other than that, I'm good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:12] Oh, yeah. We're still still dealing with the, uh, the fires, which I think are better than they were last week. But yeah,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:18] The Winds picked up yesterday and the winds have picked up, so it's just stuff in the air. But.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:23] Were you affected by the fire?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:24] I was not.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:25] Okay.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:25] I live, um, downtown, so.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:27] Okay.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:27] We were pretty insulated from most.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:29] Whole different set of issues down there.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:31] First of all. Perkins is convinced that we're going to start the bubonic plague or whatever. You can say the word.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:39] Yeah,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:39] Downtown.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:40] I mean it already popped up downtown one time, like five years ago.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:43] The actual plague.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:45] Oh, yeah, the actual bubonic plague.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:46] That's why I lick light poles when I'm there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:48] Right. But. But you say that. But you don't like when we're downtown. You're like, don't press the button.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:54] But that's because I'm a germaphobe.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:56] Oh,

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:56] But you should downtown be a germaphobe for sure.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:06:59] Like, you touch all types of things.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:01] Well, can I show you?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:02] Hey, now.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:02] So when I was teaching my son about washing his hands.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:07:04] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:04] One time, my dog was eating, uh, he he she he is he he ate cat poop. And I was trying to take it out of his mouth with my hand, and I did. And then I proceeded to touch the the walk sign. And I said to my son, look, I just touched cat poop with my hand inside my dog's mouth. And then I touched it. And that's why you wash your hands.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:24] Right, right. Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:26] See, it made sense when you saw the whole thing in front of me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:29] Right, right, right. Right, right.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:07:31] That is a lot happening.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:32] That's a super life lesson right there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:34] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:34] A life lesson.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:34] I taught him well, but then I ate sushi with those same hands.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:38] Right, right. So what's what's good? Vanessa? What? What's going on? What's, uh. It's still early enough to ask what your goals and things are for 2025. You know,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:07:47] You know what my goals for For 2025 are to just do better. I have no resolution. It's just do better than I did last year. At stuff, especially procrastination, stuff like that. But not a not a set. I'm gonna go to the gym every day. That's stupid. Like, nobody wants to do that. It's just I just want to do better.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:08] So, like, how do you measure that? Is that a deal of, like, I guess you just have an internal clock, like knowing. Did I procrastinate less than I did last year or something like that?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:08:16] No, there's no, um, hard requirements for this doing better. It's just like, if I feel like I'm doing better, like I'm going to finish the actual script instead of just talking about it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:27] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:27] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:28] Right. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:28] Who was The first person that put in your head that you could be a comedian?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:08:31] Um, probably, uh, a good friend of mine who's now passed away, Charles Patrick Gooch. He used to book, um, what was it called back then? The black people night at the Comedy Store on Tuesdays. Stripping on Tuesdays.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:44] Fat Tuesdays.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:08:45] No Guy Torey was fat Tuesdays. And then it then it got taken over. Anyways, he used to book them and I would be at comedy shows every night when I first moved out here. Like that was my social thing because I didn't have any friends. But I could go to a comedy club, laugh with people, and I'd got to know some of the comedians. And he was like, you should try comedy. I was like, that's not my thing. Even though I started in theater, I was like, comedy is not for me. And then when I found out my mom was sick, I was like, oh, I'm gonna just get on stage and see. So I called him and was like, could you put me up? And he put me up at, um, Sarah's in the valley off of Whitsett.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:18] So your first time, was it an open mic or was it like a real show and he just threw you on? Not a real show, but you know what I mean. A show with customers.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:09:25] It was an actual show with customers. And he put me on just because we were friends. Right. And it was weird because I told him I was like, no matter what, make sure, because Buddy Lewis and Kym Whitley were hosting, I said, make sure they call my name because I'm going to tell you I don't want to do it. And then Dean Edwards went up before me and destroyed for 30 minutes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:44] And Dean Edwards is the homie from New York. He's been he was an SNL cast member. He does all these impressions. He's very talented, very funny dude.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:09:52] Killed like people were knee slapping, running around. Ah, he's the funniest thing. And they're like, and here comes Vanessa. And then David Arnold who has passed away. Another very funny comedian. Before I went on stage, he was like, don't fuck this up. He didn't know it was my first time, so I had him in my ear. Dean just killed. I don't know what the hell I talked about, but I was up there for five minutes and I'm still doing it now. So, yeah, whatever happened, it was all right, I guess.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:19] Very nice. And it's so cool to go up for the first time with a real audience. I had the pleasure of doing that, too. I mean, it was like a new Jack segment, but still, it was a real audience. Yeah, because some people will wallow around LA.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:31] At open mics for years.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:32] And years.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:33] Before they even do one show.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:35] Performing for Other comics.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:10:36] At every Starbucks that they can go to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:39] Where there's comedy at. Starbucks,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:10:40] They have some like open mic type stuff,

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:42] Probably. Not at like a corporate Starbucks, but other coffee shops, I for sure. Done. Coffee shops? Yeah. Although I think those comics who just do open mics forever and never do a show. Oh, God, they're so bad.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:52] It's more of a support group. And you know guys who do those kind of shows. They kind of become Ted Bundy types, if I'm being honest.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:00] That's a good segue.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:02] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:02] No, but they. But they really do, right? There's a bitterness.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:05] Last year there was one this last year who, uh. He snapped and he assaulted somebody. So.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:11:12] An open micer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:12] An open micer. Mhm. And he was one of those, these chronic many years open mic ers. So yeah it's interesting scene.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:11:20] I love a good open mic if I need to go work on something. But it cannot be your whole bread and butter of comedy. You will not get better only being at open mic.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:28] 100%.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:11:29] And you will get all your materials stolen from people who go off to do other shows.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:34] Mhm. True story. Well, let's get the story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:39] Let's do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:40] Let's do it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:40] In the 1970s, American serial killer, rapist and necrophiliac Ted Bundy admitted to murdering at least 36 women in the span of four years. But criminologists believe the number of killings reached well over 100. Most of the victims were in their 20s and had long, dark hair, and he often lured his victims into his car by pretending to be injured or asking for help. Then his killings typically followed a gruesome pattern.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:03] Oh my God. For a second I was like, oh my God, I have long dark hair. And then I remembered, I'm not in my 20s. I was like, oh, I'm good.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:09] Well, and. One of the pieces of advice I give my students is never help people put stuff in the car. that's like, that's what Ted Bundy used to do. He used to have a broken leg, and then he'd be like, can you help me? And then he'd, like, fucking kill you eventually.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:20] I remember once I left the Laugh Factory in Hollywood, and this lady needed a ride somewhere. Like, she. I don't think she was at the show. She was just on the street. She needed a ride south. Older, the older woman. And she looked a. Little on the edge. But I was with another comic, so I was like, all right, dude, you sit in the back. I know she's older looking and she's a black lady, so, you know, I don't I feel bad about saying this, but if she does anything crazy, punch her in the face. And.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:46] What?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:12:48] What the hell is wrong with you?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:52] So he was in the back on, you know, sort of lookout, and then I. It was fine. I dropped her like, a mile south, and she got out.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:12:58] She could have walked a mile south.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:59] I know she was older. You know,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:13:00] Don't pick.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:01] Yeah, but but again, I respected her enough to punch her in the face, you know what I mean? Or have I outsourced it? I wasn't gonna punch her because I was driving.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:13:09] Why would you pick up a stranger? It's not the person in the car that you have to worry about in that particular situation. They could be bringing you to the setup.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:17] That's true.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:13:17] Once you pull up at the trap.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:19] That's true. But it was. It was like not a side street. It was just la Brea.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:13:22] Does not matter. I'm not doing this with you. You cannot explain away the fact that you picked up a complete stranger and took them to an unknown location. That is rule number one being broken but not getting kidnapped.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:35] You never know. It could be a serial killer partnered with his girlfriend. Like you said earlier.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:13:39] But in England, I got off the off the bus stop at the wrong bus stop. Not in London, like England, like somewhere in between. Like north of London. And, um, I was just in the wrong place. And this guy was like, hey, you need to go such and such. And he gave me a ride. No problem. Happened in South Africa. Chicago. So I've been. I've been pretty fortunate.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:13:58] The only thing that we know for sure right now, Dwayne Perkins, is that you are not on the traffickers top ten desired list.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:05] No, no, not at all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:07] Dwayne. You're on my top ten.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:08] Thank you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:09] Yeah. If I was trafficking people,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:10] I appreciate that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:11] You would be the person. I'd taffic first.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:14:13] They would bring Perkins back. Start telling one story and they'd be like, get the fuck out of here.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:17] I also got I Picked up a lady at, uh, on La Cienega.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:23] What the hell?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:23] At a, um, what do you call it, a Ross dress for less or a marshalls maybe?

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:26] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:27] She had a big lamp and she had trouble with it, so I took her home with the lamp. She lived in a jungle. Actually, if you guys know where that is, it's in South Central. Where it's like. Denzel. Yeah. When Denzel said King Kong ain't got nothing on me. It was that street, actually, and, um, dropped off. Helped her with the lamp. It was, you know, it was a little, you know, it was okay.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:14:46] Did you smash?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:47] No, no, no, she was much older. I met her son. Well,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:49] Did you smash?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:50] No, no.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:51] Did you smash with the son?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:52] No no no no no.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:14:54] So if I'm Picking up a bitch from Ross dress for less, helping with a lamp and going to the jungle, risking my life, there needs to be some smashing at the end of that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:03] Yeah. I've been lucky. I've been lucky.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:06] Was she like, I have a I have a daughter who's your age?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:10] Let's see. Did she. This was a while ago too. I don't think she ran it like that, but I think I think it was a situation where I met her son. I don't know if he was affiliated, but it was one of those things where you're good if you come around here, you know what I mean? So. Yeah,

Vanessa Graddick: [00:15:22] But you have no reason to go around there unless you pick up random bitches from Ross.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:26] Right, right.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:15:28] Perkins, act like he just hang around in the jungle. What? All right,

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:33] All Right, so as we were saying, um, so he picks up the women, uh, by luring them in, asking for help. And then, according to a Women's Health article and several documentaries, Bundy raped, strangled and bludgeoned his victims to death. He severed the heads of his victims and then kept them in his apartment to admire. Oh, I hadn't heard that part. That's messed up.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:15:57] Did he keep them in something?? Like this is the 70s, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:00] Yeah. No, he just put it out. That's like my favorite serial killer Ed Kemper. Oh, he's from Northern California. He killed a bunch of, uh, hitchhiking women. Girls. But, uh, he killed his mom first because he just had an issue with his mom. And then he cut off her head, and then he put it on the table when he'd eat breakfast. And, like, he was talking to this detective. And the detective was like, you know, like you had a conversation with your mom, and he's like, yeah, I had a conversation with my mom. What did your mom say? And he's like, my mom's dead. It was like the funniest, like, just kind of moment. You're just like, oh, like, oh, you're not that crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:32] But. But the fact that he was so like, uh, indignant, like he's looking at the cop like. What's wrong with this guy?

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:41] Oh, God. This is this is pretty dark, though. I mean, killers are mentally ill in their own way, so it's not like he's thinking, oh, how am I going to preserve this head perfectly and keep my apartment smelling like pumpkins?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:54] This, this. It was really interesting. What I like about the Ted thing is just sort of like because he was, I guess I don't think he was. I don't know you. The woman on today, you can chime in. I don't know if he's that attractive, but I just think.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:08] He was known as attractive. He was known as.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:09] As ugly as most serial killers. I think that's what.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:11] For the 70s, he was attractive. I think that's the caveat, because in the 70s, everybody was like, weird looking nobody.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:17:18] Everybody looks 67 when they were 22.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:21] Exactly. They aged faster.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:24] That's because of the drugs they use so much drugs.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:26] Like if a man was balding in the 70s, like he had like long,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:30] He didn't fight it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:30] Thinning on the top. Nobody was shaving their heads.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:33] Nba clips were NBA all stars. Just like complete receding hairlines.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:38] And then, like, hair on the side, but not on the top.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:40] Yeah. They just. They look like they super duper look like junior high school principals. And they're just out there giving out work, playing basketball, and they're all in their 20s.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:48] And then you see Ted Bundy with his whole hair. Ted Bundy with a full head of hair and, like, slim.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:55] That's what that's what it took in the 70s. You had to have hair. Um, the, uh, eventually arrested and sentenced to death for his crimes. An article by oxygen says written by two journalists, uh, Steven McCord and Hugh Aynesworth, who interviewed Bundy about his move motives. They recalled that Bundy often referred to an entity or malignant being as a driving force behind his kills, a literal voice in his head that compelled him to commit violent acts, and whose will he could not deny. The entity was in him and of him, and it was a purely destructive power that grew from within.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:30] Psychology today also mentions that other interviewers reported seeing Abnormal contortions in Bundy's face and body. There was an unpleasant odor and a terrifying negative electricity that emanated from him. Bundy often referred to himself in the third person, and has been recorded saying that the demands and expectations of this entity would reach a point where they just could not be controlled. That's my Bundy voice.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:52] Nice. I thought you were being the entity for a second.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:55] Oh, well That's the.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:18:56] The entity speaking through Bundy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:58] I got you, I got you. We all watch the video for, uh.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:19:00] Did you guys watch this?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:01] Yeah. Yeah, I watched some of it. Uh, we all watched the video for Netflix's documentary The Ted Bundy Tapes, about the twisted mind of America's most notorious serial killer. In his own words. We'll put a link in our show notes. We'll. We'll put a link to Netflix. Anyway.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:21] When asked to recall the murder of his last victim, 12 year old Kimberly Leach, in his last interview, many noticed that Bundy couldn't even think about it without making a devilish smile, but was he insane or was he actually being encouraged by the devil? It's time to put on our thinking caps. Was Ted Bundy encouraged by the devil? When we return, we'll settle this once and for all and figure out what really maybe happened. Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories. Was Ted Bundy encouraged by the devil?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:55] First of all, I don't believe any of this. I think the devil I think saying that he was possessed by the devil just lets him off the hook.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:00] I 1,000% percent agree with you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:01] Let him Off the loose. What kind of terrible monster? But if we're going to play with this, we'll just play with this instead of a devil. He was possessed by a monkey.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:11] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:12] I don't know.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:13] Um.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:14] But why a monkey?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:20:15] And where did the monkey come from?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:17] The San Diego San Diego wildlife park. Of course.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:19] Mhm.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:20:20] Makes sense.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:21] Yeah. Same place I got my son from. Actually, this is the story I tell my baseball team. Me and my wife are the San Diego Wildlife Park. Baby monkey fell down from a from a tree. We picked him up and we tried to return him and they said, no, no, that's your child. And we're like, no, no, no, this is a monkey. So in the same way, except it somehow, instead of being found like a baby, it went into him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:43] I see.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:20:43] And then now it's the monkey that was making him kill.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:45] There's this really cool episode of spooked where they talk about. So in China, they have like, you can get possessed, but over there, it's like animal spirits that can jump in. Um, so there's a whole episode on, like, a fox spirit that gets into somebody's cousin. Anyways. That reminds that's what this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:02] What's kind of ironic as I listened to the story, I said to myself, this is bananas.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:21:08] I will not.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:14] Alright. Dwayne, what's your theory?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:17] Oh, man. So with these things, we like to have a little fun, but also because people died. I like to like. I just think that this guy is just just a just an asshole, right? Yeah. Like you said, saying he's possessed by the devil lets him off the hook. But I will say this. The devil is somewhere there, right? But I don't think the devil recruited him. He basically sort of recruited the devil or went to the devil. You know what I mean? Because once you start doing evil, now, you've opened up that portal to do more and more evil. It's like the devil just being the devil. He's not thinking about Ted Bundy. And then he gets a report. He's like this guy in, you know, Western America is doing some big numbers. And the devil was like, oh, shit. All right, let's see what's good with him. And then, so maybe later on, he was possessed by the devil, but the devil didn't make him do it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:01] Right. Well, you know, it kind of wondered, do you ever have, like, intrusive thoughts? Not murdery ones, but like, you ever like driving on a highway?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:08] Definitely, definitely.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:10] And you're like, what if I just drove off this highway? But then you're like, why did I have that thought? That's silly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:14] And you don't do it because you have empathy. And so this is a guy who didn't have empathy and.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:19] He did it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:20] But from there it just grew and grew.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:21] That's the devil. It just, like, sends our demons, like, send you those things and then like, you go, no, but Ted Bundy was like, hell yeah, let's do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:29] Yeah. As I listened to the Ted Bundy thing and hear him talk, he's actually just the ultimate and the worst incel ever, right? Even though he was somewhat, somewhat good looking, I'll take your word for it. And he got he did get girls, but he was an incel at heart. So he was actually possessed by incels. Maybe more than at least one, maybe a few. So these, these.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:22:53] Ghosts of incel Past,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:55] These Guys.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:55] Incels Future like.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:56] Yeah. Well, I Mean, he wasn't literally an incel, though, because he had a girlfriend that whole time. There's a documentary on Max.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:02] I know, but he hated. But he had an issue with women in like the first girl that didn't work out with. He was definitely, like, thought more of himself than he really was.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:23:10] And his mom wasn't his mom. He just hated broads.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:12] Yeah, and his mom, he was, uh, illegitimate and stuff. So I think what happens is he was possessed by a bunch of incels. And so they possessed him because he was somewhat good looking. And so what happens is, when the incel dies, he doesn't go.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:26] We hear a little bell.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:27] Yeah, right.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:23:28] When an incel dies, a serial killer gets its wings.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:35] The incel doesn't go anywhere. He has to be. You know how like a soul needs to figure out what's going on. So an incel needs to find acceptance or whatever it is they're looking for. And they went into his body thinking, well, he's somewhat good looking guy. Maybe I'll get laid now. But then once he got laid, the spirit was like it was never about getting laid. It was just about me hating women. And so then the incel is what causes him to do all of that. And he was already and he wasn't incel, so he had his incel energy, plus the the incels that possessed him.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:06] Double incel energy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:07] And so he did all this over the top incel activity.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:10] You know who the godfather of incels are? Like the king of the king of incels. That they still talk is Elliot Rodger from UC Santa Barbara. He wrote the. He wrote like that manifesto and they still talk. They still talk about it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:22] Yeah. They call him the supreme gentleman. It's really creepy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:24] And there's a there's actually a group of female. I'm writing a screenplay about this. It's called femcels. There's a bunch of women who they just they hate women, and they're like. And they're interesting. And they just think that, like, all the problems are like, liberated, smart women,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:39] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:39] I believe it. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:41] If you could go back to the way it was, it was so much better.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:24:45] I'm available to read for any parts.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:46] Those are. Those are what We call pick me. Pick me, girls.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:24:49] Pick me.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:50] But they hate women.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:51] Yeah, that's how pick me women are.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:24:53] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:53] But. At the base of the incel ideology, right? You got the two women? I don't know. I know there's, like, chads.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:00] Oh, there's Stacey's, and then there's this other one I don't remember. Stacies are the hot ones. And then the other one is the not hot ones. Becky. Becky is mid. I think that's a mid and I don't know look at ugly women are.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:12] So basically think about it like I'm super simplifying it. But like the hot ones are like these blonde chicks and and incels theory is like, we don't even expect to get those girls right. But then brunette girl next door. They're mad that they can't even get those. Yeah, He killed a bunch of brunettes. So he was killing girl next door types. So it was just a incel to the hundredth power kind of thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:36] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:37] Possession.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:37] Wow.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:25:38] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:39] All right. Cat, what is your theory?

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:41] Oh, okay. Um,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:42] You act surprised like this is.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:46] I've never done this before. What are you. Oh, gosh. Um. Why am I the boring one? I'm gonna be like. It was clearly mental illness, but I feel bad saying that because that kind of goes. Oh, then are all people who are mentally ill like that? No. Specifically, this one was, like, super bad. One time I was listening to, uh, on YouTube. You can find these recordings that people have made of, like, what it's like to have schizophrenia. Not for everybody, but in some cases. And it is the scariest, scariest thing. It's like all these voices that are like, you suck. Mhm. And you go is that mental illness or is it satanic. And you can see how like some people would confuse it. I for one am like hey let's not let's not play the religion thing. Mental illness is real and it can be fixed to some degree if people take their meds.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:37] But like being a sociopath is not fixable.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:40] That is not it's not.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:41] And I don't think it's a mental illness.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:42] I think I think you can go from being like a schizophrenic sociopath to maybe just robbing people. Like, instead of murdering them.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:26:49] All sociopaths do not become murderers.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:51] Yeah. Actually, one of the things that you're supposed to do if you have a child that's a sociopath, one of the biggest mistakes people make is that they say things like, oh, that's Tommy being Tommy, and then you ignore it. You're actually supposed to push them toward fields where it's okay to be a sociopath, like a lawyer. Or like a you're like, okay.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:27:05] Fortune 500.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:06] Yeah. Like something that, like, is specifically like that would or PE teachers and other popular. But but like it's like that like you push them into things and then you, you talk to them in a way that's like, hey, if you do this, this will happen. And so it's never like, oh, that's not right or that's not good or bad.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:23] Because they don't understand that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:24] That's it's just not it's this is what's going to end up happening.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:26] Consequences don't respect consequences.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:28] Yeah. Well it's not they just it's like it's like, well, if I do this, I'm going to end up in jail for the rest of my life. And that's not good. So I might as well not do that.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:27:36] It's not. Don't do it because you'll hurt somebody. Don't do it because you'll hurt you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:39] Yes, exactly.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:27:40] You will be punished. So don't do it because you don't want to be made uncomfortable.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:44] And that's actually why sociopaths fall apart in their 40s. Generally. One of the reasons why the 40s they fall apart is that usually what ends up happening is their career starts to fall apart, because sometime in your 30s and 40s, you usually need somebody in your life that vouches for you. Dwayne is a good comedian. I'm going to put him up on this thing or whatever for the next job, the manager. And then what ends up happening is they burn so many bridges, they don't get that next thing, so they end up plateauing career wise. And then as their career plateaus, their personal life plateaus, like they start to think like, then they get angry at their wife or husband or whatever and then their personal life. So everything starts to crumble at that point.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:20] Well, Bundy didn't score as what he what he thought he would on the Lsat. He didn't go to the school he wanted to go to. He at every turn, he was like, not as good as his self as what he I think his self-image was horrible, but he was not as good as what he wanted to project out there. So and like when I talked about the open micers, there is some of that too. It's like these guys are doing open mics and they get to a point where it's like, oh, it's not going to work out for me.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:28:46] That's how I feel about improv actors.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:47] And then they that's who they don't get. They become bitter. Maybe not killers, but there's a certain bitterness.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:54] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:54] You know, um, so before I, before I say the rest of my theory, I do want to share this on Elliot Rodger. I was living by UC Santa Barbara. I had just finished there when all this stuff happened, and the initial news reports all said that there was a second person in the car. They were described as dark, but there weren't. There wasn't an ethnicity attached or just like a dark figure in the car is literally was the was the description. They changed it. But I talked to some of the homeless people there because I went to a church where they would do like meal like food things for the homeless. And they also said there was a second figure in the car that they saw.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:30] I don't think He had friends though. He didn't really have friends.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:33] No, but.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:34] That was The devil. Oh, that's a good one, huh?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:36] Interesting.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:37] Yeah, that's that's my theory. But, uh. Yeah. So, I mean, I think even though I. In theory. Yeah, it's mental illness. I guess that's my theory. But I do kind of agree with Koj. I think it's the devil a little bit. And I don't think that lets him off the hook, because I think you have to say yes to the devil.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:29:54] Just like inviting a vampire in. Like you can't?

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:58] You have to let them be there. Or like with ghosts, you have to kind of let them come with you to some way. You have to invite them.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:06] You just reminded me, like I have a friend. Who.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:09] Did you give him a ride?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:30:11] He gives everybody a ride,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:14] Did you smash this guy?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:17] No, no, no. There's always gonna be no.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:30:22] The things that happen in a Ross dress for Less parking lot.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:26] No, but, uh. And listen, if he hears this. No disrespect, but it's true.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:30:30] This is very disrespectful.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:31] When he prays, he says everything twice. And he thinks. I don't hear it. You know what I mean?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:30:36] Mhm.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:36] As if either, like you said, there's some sort of devil voice. I don't know if it's a attachment, a possession. He's being possessed, you know what I mean.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:30:44] No.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:45] It's like. It's like he says this like like you say like a typical grace. God is grace. God is good. He'll say God is grace. God is grace. He's. It's everything.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:56] You've said this before,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:57] But it's only. Church stuff, and it's always doubled up.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:02] Specific kind of Ocd.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:31:04] Yeah. Maybe it's religious OCD.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:05] He doesn't Do it with anything else.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:31:06] That's why I said religious.

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:08] Well, that One, that one's good. That's the opposite of demons. It's like there's a there's a priest. That's his extra spirit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:14] Right? Maybe. Maybe it's a good thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:15] Does the priest touch him?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:17] Maybe. Yeah, perhaps.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:19] So every time he masturbates, he's sexually assaulting himself.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:21] Right.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:31:21] How often are you praying with this dude? That's like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:24] That's a good question.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:25] No, it's when he's about to eat.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:28] Oh, okay. So he's fully clothed when he does this.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:31:30] Like if we're eating and he says his grace. Because sometimes if someone says their grace. Right. I'll wait. Sometimes I say my grace, but I'm quick. God is omnipotent. You could just think it. He knows it. He knows you're grateful, right? He created everything you know. You don't got to say it out loud. But if you want to. Cool.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:31:46] Yeah, because I've never been out to eat several times. You have never once said never once have you been like. Let's talk to the Lord first. Normally you got a steak halfway in your mouth and I'm like, hold on, I am talking to Jesus.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:00] For like 20 minutes and just talk.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:02] Well, but that's the thing. Because of this doubling up, I'm waiting and I'm just. And that's how I even notice it. Because I'm just like, dude, I'm like, waiting till he finishes and he's got to say the whole thing two times. And while my food is getting cold,

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:15] I Feel like this isn't about Ted Bundy. This is about you venting about this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:19] This is like a viral videos of like when people when like, you have a son and he brings over a girl and then they like they have like these family dinners and the families do like weird stuff just to, like, mess with the person. And one of them is like, like, like one time they had a they all stood up and did the pledge allegiance.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:32] That's hiliarious.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:33] The girl was, like sitting there. And then she stood up and he started playing because like, she thought that that's what they do.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:37] Hilarious.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:38] Like you could just do weird shit and like, what if, like, everyone just did this weird prayer?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:41] Oh, that's really funny. I listen, I would, I would hope it's that as opposed to just whatever the implications.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:32:47] You've never asked.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:47] No. Because I thought if he's possessed, I don't want to deal with the possession.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:51] You're going to eat with him, though.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:32:52] Right? You keep breaking bread, but you don't want to just ask.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:55] Yeah. Every time you open your mouth, he could go in your mouth.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:57] Well, you can't Just ask him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:01] You can't just ask him, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:03] Yeah. Because he's not gonna tell you. Yeah. I'm possessed.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:05] No, you just say I noticed that when you pray, you repeat everything twice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:10] Throw Holy water on him and say, what is your real name?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:14] Beelzebub.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:15] I thought about doing that, but I don't. I don't have my plan B, so if I throw the holy water on him, he goes. Then I'm like, fuck, I'm out there now.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:23] You gotta open a window.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:24] You have to have holy Water.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:25] No, I do. Have some holy water. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:27] You should always have some holy water.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:29] No, my mom gave me some. Yes

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:30] I have some too

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:31] I have some holy water for sure.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:32] I trust your mom. I don't trust you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:34] Right? I don't know if it's. I don't know where she got it from, so I don't know who sanctified it. I don't know how. How does it become holy water? I'm not sure.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:42] It's actually just Purel.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:43] Is there a Brita or.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:44] Some people say my urine is holy water.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:46] Do they?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:48] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:48] Who says that?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:49] Nobody.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:51] Wait. So I just Want to make sure I get your theory. Is, is mental illness.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:56] Mental illness?

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:56] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:57] Okay. Vanessa, what is your theory?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:33:59] So I believe he was possessed by the devil. But the white devil.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:05] How is the white devil different?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:07] This, like serial killers, especially cutting off people's heads and banging dead bodies. That is 1,000% white people. Shit.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:17] Yeah, I've never heard of a black serial killer who did that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:20] No, there have been black serial killers.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:21] There have been but not like that.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:22] Black serial killers. And I'm not. And there is an exception to every rule. But let's say we have 50 serial killers that are banging dead bodies, right?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:31] And having sex with them. Not like banging them against something.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:34] Having sex with dead bodies. I will bet dollars to donuts that you can't give me more than one that's black. Out of those 50.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:42] People, a person of color, even.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:43] A person of color. Black. Brown. Yellow.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:45] Right? Exactly.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:47] It's White people. Shit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:48] And it's male.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:34:49] It's male whites. Because women women typically kill because they're mad. Men is about power control. And they're just disgusting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:00] Yeah. Well, and women also and women tend to hurt themselves. That's why I like the school shooters generally. Because they they want to.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:09] Lash out at everyone else.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:10] And women tend to cut themselves or something.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:12] But I do think that there is mental illness attached to it. I do not think that he is actually possessed by the devil. I don't really believe in possession. Possession?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:22] I gotta introduce You to one of Dwayne's friends.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:24] Yeah, well, because I think We Like to blame a lot of things on possession that are not because the motherfucker can just be crazy. He can just be nuts.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:34] Like any drug, you have to start the drug to become addicted to the drug. And if killing is a drug, you have to start doing it. You have to start doing it, and then it becomes an addiction.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:45] At three. His aunt or something woke up with all these knives around her when he was like a three year old and he was just standing in the room like, he he like he was just nuts.

Cat Alvarado: [00:35:55] Who who was That?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:56] Ted Bundy?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:57] What else does the white devil do?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:35:59] Well, um, they call the police when you're barbecuing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:03] Wait, did you guys. See the, uh. It was a viral video recently, but it was this white woman she was running with her two kids at, like, late at night, and she's running down the street, and then some car allegedly follows her. She runs? she runs out of his porch. And she. And then this African American guy who owns the house comes out of the door and says, like, do you need help? Basically? And she's like, you don't even live here. And then she starts screaming. And then she ran like she was on his porch.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:36:30] Then his wife came out and was like, what are you doing? And she's like, well, you have to understand where I'm coming from. I have my kids. It's dark and a car is following me. He was like, I was pulling into my house, bitch, you were in my driveway. Well, you just have to understand how that makes me feel.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:47] And then everyone calls her a racist. She's like, I'm not racist, I love everyone. We're like, no, no, that was totally racist.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:36:51] I hope you're not offended. That I was in your yard telling you you don't live here.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:58] That's banana sandwich. I haven't heard that.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:00] And had her kid ring the door, ring the doorbell, get them. I was like, what is happening?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:05] That's what the white devil will make you do then.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:07] Exactly. She was possessed by a white devil.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:09] I like that. I like that. See, because he was born in a like his mom had him. Like he didn't know who his father was. His biological father.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:18] His sister. His sister was his mom. His grandparents took him on as their son because they didn't want to admit that their daughter was a ho.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:26] Right. Right.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:27] He didn't find out until way.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:29] He thought it was his sister.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:31] Yeah, he thought it was his sister.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:32] Very incel of him to be, like, upset at his mom for.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:36] That was a thing, though.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:37] That that that happened all the time.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:39] Happened all the time. I know another white devil thing. It's, uh, people who now, like, now, like in 2024 America, 2025 America, they'll poll white people and they'll say things like, it's as bad for white people today as it was for African Americans in the 1950s.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:37:52] White devils say that a lot. They say that a lot.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:55] No it wasn't. No, it isn't even close. What are you talking about?

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:59] Bananas.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:38:00] You say that a lot.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:01] Or that slavery was a good thing.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:38:02] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:03] Oh my God. Or that they were just workers. That one was like what?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:06] There's positive benefits of that,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:09] Yeah. Well, I was gonna say Is if he didn't know his father, maybe the devil was his father.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:38:13] His father got out of there. His dad was like, I was here for a good time. Not a long time. I'm out. And then the dad left. So why are you mad at women? It sounds like you got daddy issues.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:26] But also. He. Another guy stepped up and gave him his name and everything.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:38:30] But he always talked shit about him. He was like, that's not my real daddy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:33] He gave you his name? He stepped Up. Mhm.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:35] I don't know. I do think though, that original dad is probably a sociopath because that does run in families. We do know a family family friend like neighbors from a neighborhood where the dad beat the mom. And then there were two kids, there was a daughter and a son. And the son is now on trial for being in a show.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:54] We did A show about him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:55] Yes, yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:56] Oh, completely different family, but yes, also.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:59] Yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:01] So the son is currently on trial for crimes. And then the daughter is someone who, like, threatens people and is bananas girl. So the whole family, it's the whole family.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:39:11] What's the one? They just had a new a new spin off come out Dexter. Dexter and the original sin his son is now he's like you have a dark passenger to now y'all just crazy dog. That's just y'all crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:25] So at this point in the show it's time for us to pick our unofficial official story, one that will answer this question once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:33] Quick. Let's review the current season four scores for our theories as of this episode four for our guests as a whole. So now the guests are winning. Three for me, two for Cat, and Dwayne is in last place with one.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:44] I feel like on some of the episodes like mine and the guests were kind of similar, and I didn't get the, uh, credit, you know what I mean? I was.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:53] Your One.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:54] Being graceful about it, you know what I mean?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:39:56] I think that you probably started out with a good point, and then 17 minutes later, they forgot what your point was.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:03] Are you saying I go for too long? Is that okay?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:40:09] You're very talkative.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:11] I'm sorry. I go for too long.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:40:12] You said no one.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:16] All right. Cat. Who are you voting for, then?

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:19] God, I think I think I'm voting for Dwayne. Actually. The devil theory. The incel possession.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:25] Incel possession. Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:28] You couldn't even remember your theory.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:30] No, no, I remember when you said devil. I was like, no.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:32] And so I voted for the white devil because I think that's great. That's my vote. What about you Dwayne.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:36] I like that, I like I like the white devil, I do, but I also like the incel thing, which is mine. But I will say this in my life. Me personally, I have. I've had to encounter the white devil more than the incel devil. So I'm going to go with the white devil as well.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:57] And by the way, we should be clear. I mean, not all white people have the white devil.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:40:59] No, not at all, because there are. Be some good solid white people who are not possessed by.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:05] An Asian yellow devil. That's fine. Okay. Who are you gonna vote for? I mean, you should vote for your own. Then it's 3 to 1.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:41:11] Yeah, I'm definitely vacillating between the incel devil and the white devil, but I'm gonna go with the white devil because the white devil is always fucking up. Shit.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:21] The worst crimes are always white. Yeah. The one in Canada that the that don't fuck with cats. One is probably one of the worst of all time. And that was the white guy.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:41:29] Yeah, the White devil who.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:31] Even though the incel would be more like, uh, almost United Colors of Benetton because anyone can be an incel, but I like I like the White devil.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:39] I mean, Elliot Rodger was half Asian, right? He hated his Asian, but he came.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:44] He came Out. He did his thing. Incels already existed before he.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:48] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:48] Yeah, but he was like he wrote the manifesto that everyone, like, masturbates over. That's what it is. Like, that manifesto is, like, a lot.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:55] It's gross. It's creepy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:57] I mean, I study it every day. I say it twice when I'm reading it. Actually, that's what we should do before dinner. Start reading some crazy manifesto

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:05] I think The thing with incels is that they get picked on or they don't get, like, attention. They don't get beat up. You know what I mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:14] I think they have like, bad, bad emotional regulation because I think we all have to learn how to cope with rejection. Right. And nobody ever teaches them how to cope with rejection.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:22] Nobody fucking rejects me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:23] Right? Because they don't get beat up. You know what I mean?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:42:25] I also think that a lot of times they don't put themselves out there to be rejected. They're just sitting there looking across the room like she's not even going to talk to me.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:32] Well, also Like they're like Cs and then they're like trying to get the A plus person.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:36] Instead of going for another C.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:42:38] Meanwhile, fucking Abigail over here has been trying to help you with your homework all school year.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:42:42] Right. That's funny.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:42:44] And you want to just fuck Abigail.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:46] But it's almost like a movie we wrote slump busters.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:49] Oh, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:49] In a different way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:42:51] There's always that nerdy girl who's like, he doesn't even see me. And he's out here killing people. When he put a been getting pussy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:42:57] And Bundy had two different girlfriends. One was he was punching way above his out of his weight class, and the other one was more like, okay. But he wasn't happy with either, though he still needed to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:09] Well, because He was never about sex.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:11] He didn't want sex. His whole thing was he gets off on power control.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:15] Right, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:16] And that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:20] It looks like the guests are winning, by the way.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:21] It does. And that's the official story. We'll take another break, and when we return, we'll be trying to figure out what our villain backstories would be if we all became serial killers.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:34] If you became a serial killer, what would your villain backstory be?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:37] Mine would be that I went to the San Diego Wildlife Park. I looked at a tree. There's a noise in the tree. I opened my mouth to look up and the. The monkey fell in my in my mouth.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:48] The monkey.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:43:49] The monkey spirit.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:49] The monkey spirit.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:50] Okay, okay, okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:51] And then it came. And then I became. And that's how I became a serial killer.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:54] Nice. What would you have, like a what would your name?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:58] The monkey king.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:59] The monkey king.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:43:59] The monkey king.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:59] I like That. I like that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:01] I mean, that's a famous Chinese story. I'm not Chinese, but I could. I could go with it. No one could tell the difference.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:05] Very nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:06] Okay, so I would be like a rapist. Poisoner.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:12] That's so specific.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:13] I would find men who had, like, assaulted women, and then I would poison them with, like, radioactive tea. Kind of like,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:20] Oh, you're Not raping them. You're getting the rapists.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:23] Yeah, I wouldn't.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:24] I thought you were.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:44:24] Oh, I thought you was getting some on the way out.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:26] I thought you were raping people.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:29] Poisoning rapists.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:31] Got it.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:44:31] You would poison rapists. Not be a poison raper.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:34] No.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:44:35] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:36] That's an important distinction, though.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:44:38] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:39] A rapist poisoner. And, yeah, I would find men who had, like, done messed up things to women. Make sure they were guilty somehow. I don't know. Do superpowers. Right. And then I would do that. And then my back, my backstory would be like I'd be like Batman. Like they don't know who's doing it, doing it, but someone's doing it, and they're glad that I am. It's like, am I a villain or am I a hero? Nobody knows. Like, definitely vigilante justice for for women who can't get justice.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:06] And Poison them to death. Would you? Sort of. So they're not getting raped, though?

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:11] No. No.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:12] That's what They did. You know what I mean?

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:15] But as as a woman, I have to be aware of my, like, physical weaknesses. Like, I can't beat up a man, but I can put radioactive stuff in his food, and then he dies later.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:45:25] You can get him erect, though. That is part of your superpower as a woman. And then you're like, ooh, get it daddy! Pow! You're dead.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:34] Oh. That's true. You could do that. You could do that. Sure. But I like the idea of, like, poison is stealthy, right? It doesn't happen right away. Like down the line, they get sick and they don't know what's going on, and then they're out. And I'm. I'm. You know. What's that? Two shades to the wind. I don't even know if that's a phrase.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:52] Two shits to the wind.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:45:54] Is. It's three sheets to the wind. And that. And that actually means being drunk.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:59] Does mean you're drunk. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:01] Oops.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:01] But that's okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:02] Come on, I mean gone. I'd be gone.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:04] You're in the wind.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:05] I'm in the wind.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:06] In the wind.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:06] I'm. I'm like five states over. Poisoning a whole other person at that point.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:10] Very nice.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:11] Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:12] I take applications.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:13] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:14] Interesting. Okay. It's like Santa.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:16] Yeah. I'd be like, do you have proof? And then, like. But it's proof that. That the the police isn't, like helping you with. But you have evidence because I'm not like, I'm not gonna just, like, kill anybody. Just like on on just.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:27] Now Are they paying you?

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:29] I'm sure. No, I don't want to know. I do this for out of the goodness of my heart. Like I don't want a paper trail. They can give me like, diamonds or something, but it can't be something.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:46:38] Diamonds or gold bars only.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:39] You mean the people who the victims can pay you if they want. Is that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:42] Yeah, like gold bars. I need to be paid in gold.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:46] I think for me, again, like, I like the what I like, uh, what you said, the thing I really liked like. Just make sure they're guilty. Right. So I would need. Who is it? Julian Assange. That guy. Someone like him who can really, you know, hack into people's accounts and everything. So we just make sure that there's been a fair amount of douchey behavior. You know, we got to track this. So it'll probably take us a few years to get a good, solid list of just complete douches. You know what I mean? And, um, and then I would just start taking out douchebags, you know?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:47:19] What qualifies. Is this, like, somebody who uses a checkbook at the grocery store? Like,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:26] That's probably Just an old person.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:47:28] Like Douchery, you know a myriad of things.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:32] Absolutely, absolutely. What defines Douchery? So that's why it's going to take us a few years. So it's not it's got to be people who fuck with other people consistently and who bear false witness consistently. So people who say one thing and do another, but consistently, people who.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:49] There's Going to be a lot of people's ex-boyfriends.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:50] People who fuck with. People for no reason. And maybe that's the process. We take names. Okay. You think this person is a douche? We'll investigate it and see if it reaches to the level that they need to be taken out.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:01] I feel like that's what the Chinese government does with the points. They're like, if you have enough points and we know you're a douche, and it could be the checkbook thing, it could be cheating.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:09] And I think I'd be like, uh, the d bag, hack d bag something slasher or d bag? Yeah, something like that.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:48:17] Destroyer. Destroyer is good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:18] D bag. Destroyer. And so eventually, it'll just be like, it doesn't pay to be a d bag because you might get.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:25] You sell that merch.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:26] You might get Killed. Right. Right. And so now some people are still going to want to be douche bags because some people just have a certain.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:48:34] Doesn't pay to be a d bag.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:36] Right. And so and how how how would I kill the d bags. Well, first it would start with just beating them to a pulp. But as soon as they said sorry or were in pain, as soon as they stopped acting like they were God's gift or Gift or whatever. Then the beatings stop.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:51] And you might show mercy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:53] No, we still kill them. But the beatings stop. We just kill them. Like, fast. Yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:58] Merciless.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:59] Vanessa, what would you. What's your backstory?

Vanessa Graddick: [00:49:01] So I got distracted on whether it's my backstory or just what I would do. So I'm going to. My first idea is to kill the pedophiles, but I'm going to shoot them on over to Cat the rapist, because I think that's the same thing. But my villain backstory would be I am a young lady who is in love with a young man who I think is amazing, but the several bitches before me have ruined him, and now he is not emotionally available and he is a d-bag because of these women. So now I am killing all of the horrible bitches that have made horrible men.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:37] Ooh. I like that one. Can I vote for that?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:40] You went to the source. This is. You're killing the source.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:49:43] I'm going to the source. And I am killing. Because how many times have I or anybody. Men have dated women who or whatever. How many times have you dated somebody and you're like, who hurts you before me? And then you have to retrain them to be with a decent individual.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:59] I literally had to deal with this this last year.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:02] Yes. And you're sitting here like, stuff will happen. It's like when you go to hug somebody and they flinch, like, who hurt you? I have to go kill them because they're not going to just keep making all these damaged men out here for the rest of the world.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:14] Mhm. I like that one.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:15] Straight to The source, but I have to be hurt first. That's my backstory. I have to think I'm getting married. And then he like leaves me at the altar or something. Crazy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:23] For the girl That he liked in high School.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:24] Yes. And then she ends up like punching him in the face like he's never.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:28] I like it. I'm here for it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:29] Thank you, Vanessa, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:33] I am Vanessa Graddick on everything, so v a n e s s a g r a d d I c k. I'm very easy to find. That's my handle on all social media platforms.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:43] Including Truth social.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:45] I am not on Truth social And I'm having my my reservations about even going back to TikTok right now. It's pretty.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:54] That whole Thing was so silly.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:55] It's a weird place. I'm just gonna hang out on.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:57] A super stunt.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:50:57] Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna hang out on Instagram where people my age like to dwell.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:01] Where Zuckerberg grovel.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:51:03] Right, right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:03] Yeah, all of them were terrible, dude.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:51:05] They are all.

Vanessa Graddick: [00:51:06] Like, I'm not old enough for Facebook. I'm not quite young enough for the ticky tacky, so I'm gonna just stick with Instagram until until further notice.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:14] I feel a lot of these multimedia or, um, internet guru type people, they, they could have become a Ted Bundy, except they, they were good at something and.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:24] Got rich. Yeah, I see that one. Yeah. For sure.

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Cat Alvarado: [00:52:18] Today's episode is the last episode of the season, so we'll be taking a break. But keep your eyes out for the best of season four and the trailer for season five.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:27] Aww. Or is that a I don't know, I always think it's or, but it's also positive, I guess because it's the end of the season.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:32] Let's do This. Yay! Ah, yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:38] All right. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.