S4E5 - Does Bill Gates want to control the population

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:00] If you wanted to take over the world, how would you do it? What would be your strategy?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:04] Cult leader? I would definitely use religion. For sure. I'd get some people involved. I'd brainwash them. Get somebody to be a martyr.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:12] Do you have experience with this, though?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:13] Third day. I mean.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:20] What about you, Aaron? What would you do?

Aaron Marsh: [00:00:21] I mean, I would clearly make it drugs. I would legalize all drugs. But all drugs have to be gotten from the government. And we're saying it so you can get it clean. But in reality, we're just bringing everyone to us.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:32] That's a good idea. Okay, okay. There's this book called The Uglies. It's a young adult novel, and they have a really good idea. So what they do is.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:38] I thought it was your your family album.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:00:42] I thought it was like bumping uglies. But anyway,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:45] In the book uglies, it's a young adult novel. At the age of 16, they become, uh, they're giving a surgery where they're they become really attractive. And so this young woman, she's about to turn 16, she gets in trouble. And so she's not allowed to have the surgery. And at first she's really pissed about not having the surgery. And then she realizes that actually, when they make you pretty, they also make you stupid and pliant. Um, and so like, that was like, if I was to take over the world.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:12] Cosmetic surgery.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:13] I would make people become pretty and stupid. And then I could do. I could be whatever they want.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:18] You had me at pretty and Stupid.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:20] Right, right.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:21] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:21] That's normally how it goes anyway. But you do get the the the pretty brilliant person every now and again.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:26] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:27] Well that's true.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:27] Yeah, I know how that feels.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:28] As per me not.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:32] What would you do, Dwayne?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:33] Well, I think my, my method is tried and true. I would start a 24 hour news, uh, news show.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:39] Okay. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:39] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:40] And just we would we would sort of do a, um, what do you call it? Like a market study, like a focus group, you know, so we would kind of know where people were leaning and kind of give them a little bit of that to get them in, but then 24 hours just to the point where they wouldn't doubt anything we say.

Aaron Marsh: [00:01:57] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:01:57] And then after that I could take over the world. I mean, I could do whatever I want at that point. I could, uh.

Aaron Marsh: [00:02:02] My parents would love you.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:02:03] Elections. I could say elections are rigged. I can I can stage an assassination. Anything I want at that point.

Aaron Marsh: [00:02:11] This was taped in 2023.

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Cat Alvarado: [00:02:53] In august, we celebrate the anniversary of the personal computer, and we're asking a very important question. Does Bill Gates want to control the population?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:02] But first let's introduce our guest, Aaron Marsh. Aaron is a stand up comedian and a podcast host. He hosts the show putting up with Aaron Michael Marsh. Welcome, Aaron.

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:11] Thank you. Thank you for having me, guys.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:12] How are you? 

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:12] And gal? Good. Today's good I mean it was a was there a lot more to that question?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:03:20] It's like athletes, they learn to just answer the question.

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:23] Yeah, yeah I was like doing like Tom Brady. Good. Tomorrow's also going to be good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:30] So what is your podcast about?

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:32] My podcast. Well it started as an interview podcast I recognized or I grew up thinking I was just too much for everybody. And so like it was just like, these are my friends that put up with me. How about that? Isn't that cool? And it has transformed now into pretty much like my therapy and what I'm learning about myself and learning about my my bad wiring and my rewiring.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:51] What are some of the bad wiring?

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:52] Well, I mean, I'm terribly codependent, you know, and so, like, there's just like,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:55] Is that bad?

Aaron Marsh: [00:03:56] Oh, yeah. If it wasn't, people would like, try to, like, look for codependent.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:01] Does that make you like a serial monogamist to something like that or

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:05] There's some of that you would think that. I mean, I know codependency just sounds like, oh, I just love being in a relationship, but codependency is really about the amount of yourself you give up just for other people.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:14] Interesting.

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:15] So that's really what it's about. It's like it's almost like everyone else's life is is more important to me than my own.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:20] Right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:21] And that's where the problem becomes, because now that, like you're 40 and you're like, okay, wait a second, I didn't do a lot of the things I wanted to do, but I helped a lot of my friends get the things they wanted.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:28] Right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:29] And then you go, wait, that's not right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:30] Everybody is, um, hopefully right. Everybody's the main character in their story.

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:35] I haven't been yet.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:36] And you haven't been. You've been like the next door neighbor. But what's your story? Who's your next door neighbor? You know what I mean? All the scenes should be about you. And there's some guy running in every now and again saying something crazy.

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:45] Especially if it's my diary. It's like looking at my diary and you're like, I didn't even show up in this,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:04:49] Right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:50] Oh my gosh. It's like you've been an NPC this whole time.

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:52] Exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:04:53] Waking up.

Aaron Marsh: [00:04:54] And that's exactly what that's exactly what the last year felt like is like I was like, oh, I don't have to go check in with other people to figure out what today is going to be. It's for me now. And so that's really where codependency is bad is you lose yourself just out there in the world because you think that's what being a best person is,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:09] Right? But is it also a little bit of avoidance so you don't have to deal with your own thing?

Aaron Marsh: [00:05:13] Or I didn't have avoidance, but that is half of it. Like codependency has got multiple sides to it and I don't have the other,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:05:18] I see.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:18] Mhm. That reminds me of something that happened to me when I, when I was younger, like 19 and in a super serious relationship for four years. When I got out of it, you know, people would be like, uh, what do you want to eat? And I'd be like, what do you want to eat?

Aaron Marsh: [00:05:30] Yeah, exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:31] I don't know what I want, but what's okay to want? You can choose whatever you feel like. You can dress however you want. You can make your choices. Like,

Aaron Marsh: [00:05:40] I would literally call my cousin and ask her what I wanted for lunch. And she lives in Texas and it was just like, and she'd be like, uh, this. And she was like, and bless her heart. But I'm also, like, allergic to cheese or whatever. You're like, I'm not really gonna buy this, but I'm gonna tell her and maybe then she'll feel good about that, and then I'll just go, actually go what I want. And so, like, it's just getting rid of all of that stuff was because growing up in my house, the higher power was whoever my dad was currently married to. And so as long as they were happy, everything's good. Doesn't matter what anyone else is feeling.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:05] So it's everybody else bowing down.

Aaron Marsh: [00:06:07] So. Yeah. And so everything we had to do was just project whatever she needed for her happiness.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:06:10] Did did. Did he set that up or did he meet people who were like that?

Aaron Marsh: [00:06:14] Well, my grandparents were like that. And so then therefore my uncle, my uncle and my father, they made their house that and now like that, I'm like the one person not married, like my brothers and sister made their houses like that. Interesting. Yeah, it is really interesting. And I didn't realize it until getting out of a relationship that I was like, I did that wrong and like started to like dig down and you're like, oh no, I did all relationships, not just like romantic ones, but like friendships and family relationships wrong too.

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:38] So what's the process like to feel that and fix yourself?

Aaron Marsh: [00:06:43] Um, it's at first. The first couple months are actually scary. You literally go through withdrawals, much like a drug addict. And they tell you that, like, I got cold shakes. I didn't sleep for like a couple weeks. I lost a lot of weight. Um, I'm like way less now still than I did last year by a lot, you know? And you're just like, what? And it's like, all of a sudden you start, you doubt doing something for yourself. And so I'm still like doing that like yesterday. Like I was like pacing because it was like I couldn't figure out what I really wanted, you know, like. And it was just like. And who do I check in with to figure out what I want? And you're like, check in with yourself, stupid. You know, also calling myself stupid, you know, like that toxic inner voice.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:16] It's like you said, rewiring. But you really can't, like, physically rewiring rewire. So it sounds like you have to change your operating system.

Aaron Marsh: [00:07:24] You do. Is that a great lead in? Is that what we're doing?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:07:28] I mean, maybe. We don't we don't have to go yet. But, you know, maybe it was.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:33] Funny because when you're when you were talking about that, I remember when I was before I got married, I was like when I dated a lot of Asian women. And when I dated Asian women, they would tell me, you know what I'm gonna wear who my friends were, what I was going to eat. And then when I started dating non-Asian women, like Caucasian women, they would, like, expect me to come up with these things. And it was very shocking to me. I was like, I couldn't handle it. I was like, wait, you want me to make a decision? Like, this is kind of your job to make the decision for me? And I kind of just go along. But it was funny because the Asian women would never just tell me the thing. I'd be in a relationship for, like a month, and all of a sudden my clothes are different, you know, and thenlike, yeah. And all these things and all of a sudden I just didn't realize it. And then all of a sudden, like, everything's changed, and then you break up and then, like, you have new friends and.

Aaron Marsh: [00:08:11] You're part of the process is learning what your true self is and what you really do or don't like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:15] Yeah.

Aaron Marsh: [00:08:15] So I think one of the shocking things for me was if you asked me a couple years ago, you're like, what's your favorite thing? Like, I love the Chicago Cubs. Like I had Chicago Cubs, like everything. And then to realize that I just like that because it's what my family liked and like, it's just like, oh, I'm not. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:28] You. You didn't switch to the White Sox did, you. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:08:31] No.I switched to not watching sports.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:34] Right, right. Okay, that would be bananas.

Aaron Marsh: [00:08:36] Because it would be like, that's the conversations my family would have with each other strictly about sports. And so like, it was like, so I'd watch sports that have conversation with family and then realize, like, that's not a thing I want.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:08:46] You know, I did the kind of the fake lead in. I was kind of teasing. I just I couldn't resist. But also, if you like, that part of it is that don't you attract people who want to pounce because it's like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:56] Oh yeah.

Aaron Marsh: [00:08:56] That's exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:57] You are. If you are acting like prey, you would track predators.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:00] Yeah, yeah,

Aaron Marsh: [00:09:01] Like 1,000,000%.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:02] I'm pretty reasonable, but I do get a fair amount of like people that are a bit much. And like I noticed all my friends who are annoying their numbers blocked. And it's like, you must know you're annoying on some level. You know what I mean?

Aaron Marsh: [00:09:15] Mhm. Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:16] You know what I'm saying. So yeah. Like you. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:09:18] That's 100%. In fact if I could plug my podcast for a second. I just released three episodes this weekend. A little trilogy of this stuff.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:09:23] Oh, nice.

Aaron Marsh: [00:09:24] We're the first one was about my child abuse. The second one was about how that groomed me perfectly for abusive relationships. And so like that became like that was the second part was like, that's when I noticed that it was a thing I needed to actually care about, because it was like, who cares if I was abused as a child? I'm an adult now with my own place. And you're like, because I'm just finding all the abusive relationships. So therefore that's why I need to undo it. And then the third part is about the process of undoing it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:45] Yeah, I can I can relate to the whole thing because like I have very critical parents like just nothing, but they're like tiger mom type of a situation. But what that did, and it's nothing like child abuse. Like it's it's not to the degree that other people experience. But still, having highly critical parents has set me up so that if I'm with a partner and I'm dating and they're highly critical to the point of maybe even being emotionally abusive or whatever, I don't even notice. Like I had a boyfriend who made me try on all my pants so he could tell me which ones gave me FuPa, and then I donated the ones that did.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:18] Oh, and just in one sitting you have to try on all your pants.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:21] Yeah, yeah.

Aaron Marsh: [00:10:22] A shame cycle. That sounds great.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:23] Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:25] That's crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:26] Giant.

Aaron Marsh: [00:10:27] Can I date him next?

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:30] Oh, yeah. He he made me, like, reorganize all my closets. My cabinets, like, my spice rack was, like, alphabetized like he made me do it. Um, but I didn't even notice because it's familiar. I'm like, oh, you're acting like my mother. This is how I am loved.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:43] I would I would. Fall prey if someone needed me. And even if they needed me more than a grown up,

Aaron Marsh: [00:10:48] I had the misrepresentation of what is in need.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:50] Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

Aaron Marsh: [00:10:51] Exactly. You're just like, if I can make myself a need in that situation, which just makes me a servant, you're like, how can I serve this person? And like,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:10:58] Right,

Aaron Marsh: [00:10:58] Because then I'll become a need and then I'll have to keep me in their life.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:01] But what about what about finding ways to be needed that you're cool with? Because. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:11:06] That's the interesting part. Because, like, people are just like, what's in between codependency and being nice and just like doing a thing. At what point are you, like abandoning yourself? And you're like, at the point that you recognize that you are hurting yourself.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:16] Interesting.

Aaron Marsh: [00:11:17] Because a lot of the behaviors, I think if it was just one thing like, oh yeah, I do that because I love my wife, it's not a problem. It's not a problem if it's not a problem, it's once you notice that there's a problem and then you start to look around and like you're causing all these problems by putting yourself in these.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:30] I would say like a healthy thing. Example I'm currently seeing someone who likes to write short stories, so I like it when.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:37] You break up with him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:11:39] That bastard. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:40] That makes no money. That's like the worst writing you could possibly do.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:44] That's. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:11:44] You Asian mom. The whole thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:47] Maybe. Maybe. Other than maybe poetry.

Aaron Marsh: [00:11:49] Although short  stories. Lawyers.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:51] Look, look. That's not his main occupation. It's a hobby. Okay?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:55] Got it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:55] What I like to do that's nice for him is I'll listen to the short stories. Sometimes I give notes. It feels nice to do something like that. Like reading or listening to someone's creative stuff, because I enjoy it. And then also they like it, right? So that's not codependent, right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:12:12] But also, if you guys are both enjoying it, then you're just having a good time, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:16] That's how a relationship works.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:17] But I do think that there's a point in a child's life when you realize that you're not the main character. That's an important, like, moment in a kid's life, that they realize that they're not the center of the universe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:27] Oh, okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:28] Because because that's empathy, right? Realizing that there are other people out there. But I think it goes bad when you're not when you when you can never be the main character because everyone has to be a main character at some point.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:37] Absolutely.

Aaron Marsh: [00:12:38] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:39] And when does that transition happen is a key thing.

Aaron Marsh: [00:12:41] That's if the parent lets it happen,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:43] Right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:12:44] Because sometimes the parent doesn't have I mean like you say, they have to they should.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:48] I mean they should sorry. They should for a normal development. You want them to realize.

Aaron Marsh: [00:12:51] But there's plenty of parents that are just like, no, no, no, your job is to serve me. I'm the mom.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:56] Either that or you're the center of the universe.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:58] Yeah, exactly the opposite problem.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:12:59] But see, in Brooklyn and I'm sure any inner city, even LA, like you, naturally realize you're not the center like you may think you're the center of the of everything. And then you go to school and someone slaps you. Then you're like, oh, I don't think I'm the center. This guy just just punched me in the face.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:17] Okay, well, let's get the story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:13:21] Yep. Let's do it. If you've never used a Microsoft product, windows, Bing, LinkedIn, Skype, or an Xbox, you've probably heard of Bill Gates. Gates is the co-founder of Microsoft and influential philanthropist, and one of the richest men in the world. Gates net worth is over 128 billion. That's a billion with a B as of 2024. And he has vowed to give away 99.96 of his wealth through his charity, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which advances education and public health initiatives around the globe.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:46] So why would anyone think that Bill Gates wants to control the population? The most common accusations against Gates are that he is a pedophile billionaire who wants to block out the sun. okay. Two. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:02] That sounds like a Simpsons episode, by the way.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:03] It is. The actual sun.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:05] Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:07] Of course.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:08] And I. Just I'm like. Okay.

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:13] Two he wants to implant chips into our brains. That sounds like something related to to end times theology. Three control the population through vaccines and four remove the spiritual part of our brains.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:26] How do you remove the spiritual part. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:14:27] With the chip?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:28] With the chip? Chip with the Covid shot?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:31] Well, that's the thing. It's, um, some people say that fluoride kind of blocks your third eye kind of pineal gland, which is your sense of, like, um,

Cat Alvarado: [00:14:39] Intuition.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:40] Pineal gland sounds dirty.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:42] I know, I know, I may not be saying it right, but. Yeah, but that calcifies because of fluoride.

Aaron Marsh: [00:14:46] Which is why I never brush my teeth.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:48] Yeah. Smart. Smart man.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:50] Drink any water?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:51] Yeah, right.

Aaron Marsh: [00:14:52] Rose?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:14:54] That's a lot. What was just said. I mean, we can just. I'll come back to all of that. So, while his donations to charity are staggering, an article by CCN says that Bill Gates has some red flags hiding in those deep pockets.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:07] Ccn not CNN.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:09] No, I said CCN.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:10] No, no, I'm not saying that. You know, I'm just making it clear that it's not CNN, which would be a. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:14] Exactly.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:14] I mean, I get all my news from CCN. I don't know if I.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:16] Well, he probably already. They already have the chip so they couldn't say anything against it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:22] This is funny because my my wife went to Johns Hopkins and I always want to start online university John Hopkin.

Aaron Marsh: [00:15:27] Smart.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:29] An online degree.

Aaron Marsh: [00:15:30] Money. Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:31] What school do you go? John Hopkin?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:33] You know people often bring me on stage as Dwyayne Perkin instead of Duane Perkins. It's just easier to say. So. That would be. That'd be great.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:42] And then everyone would. Nobody would know. I mean, no one knows that there's S's in that. A lot of times they're just like, okay, you went to John Hopkin. Cool.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:49] People read fast. They just like skimming, like, okay, John Hopkin.

Aaron Marsh: [00:15:52] Yeah, I would wear that shirt. Yeah, sure.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:55] Or you can call it John Hopkin South.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:58] Oh yeah. They do that a lot. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:15:59] With an S period.

Aaron Marsh: [00:16:01] Mhm. That's really funny.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:05] Corbett's report states Gates uh, philanthropic. Philanthropy. Philanthropy,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:10] Philanthropically. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:11] Philanthropy. There we go.

Aaron Marsh: [00:16:12] We can edit that. We can edit it. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:14] Or don't don't edit it. Maybe people need to hear me say it wrong. The Corbett Report states that Gill's. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:18] Philanthropy. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:19] Philanthropy is heartly selfless. He generously donates to causes that directly benefit his family and his business interests by giving hundreds of millions of dollars to corporations. He holds stocks and bonds. Gates unique brand of. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:32] Philanthropy. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:16:32] Philanthropy also affords him unprecedented power in the field of global public health. The Bill and Melinda Melinda Gates Foundation is the second largest donor to the World Health Organization, right behind the US government.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:45] I mean, there is a lot of truth to that. So, I mean, one of the one of the issues that they were having in the beginning of the foundation was that they were invested in companies that were the opposite of the work they were doing. So, for example, like this is an example, this is not what was happening, but like, say there was there, there was polluted water in Africa. They were investing in the companies that were polluting the water. So then they realized that they had to for their endowment. They had to actually.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:09] No, no, no, look, look, look, look at my finger.

Aaron Marsh: [00:17:11] Oh, it's a floating spider.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:15] Yeah. Can we, can we take care of it, or do we have to just act like it's not there?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:18] I can act like it's not there.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:19] I can't kill it. Are you Buddhist? What's happening?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:21] You could kill it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:22] Okay, good. Great. Did I get it? I don't even know if I got it. Oh, boy. This is gonna be challenging. All right, I'll. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:31] Just say you got it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:17:32] Let's say I got it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:33] We'll pretend you got it. Okay? Yeah. So that was like one of.

Aaron Marsh: [00:17:34] It's bigger. It's bigger. No just kidding.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:37] I think we're gonna leave this in. Yeah, we have spider in. No, but the whole thing about Bill gates and his funding is there's also a lot of tax benefits he gets. So it's yeah, he's giving all this money, but he's also getting it back in a way, and and getting taxpayer money to also fund a lot of what the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation is doing, because it's money he's not paying taxes on by putting it into the foundation. There's a book. Sorry to go on too long.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:03] No,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:03] I was listening to a podcast, uh, on QAnon anonymous. But they they had a guest, Tim Schwab, who wrote a book called the Bill Gates Problem Reckoning with the myth of the Good Billionaire. And it goes way in depth into some of Bill Gates's more shady elements, uh, in terms of his giving, because he also gets access to a lot of intellectual property, like if if it's a. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:28] Right,

Cat Alvarado: [00:18:28] Um, a pharmaceutical company that he's donating to, then the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation gets a lot of say into how they go about developing this drug and also prioritizing the drugs they want developed and not other ones, that maybe those would save more lives. But he has his agenda,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:18:45] And. I don't know if he's doing exactly everything on his list, but the best indicator of someone, what someone will do is what they have done. And it's just crazy that like in like 75, 76, 77, you know, personal computers are just coming into kind of existence. He's like 20. He's born in 55. So he's like 20, 21 and like the first personal computers introduced. And it's like not even a computer as we think of today. It's like hobbyists, people who are into computers. You buy it, you put it together.

Aaron Marsh: [00:19:11] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:11] And then for him at that point to be like, I'm going to start a company. And his goal was everyone in America is going to have one of these. That's just like a crazy, ambitious thing. It doesn't seem ambitious now, but you go back to a world where no one has a computer. Computers aren't even like these friendly things that are easy to use. I mean, it's kind of ambitious, but it's also like, it's.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:33] It's Crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:33] Yeah, yeah. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:19:34] It is. But also there's some luck in that. You can't just want that to be a thing that happens. And then it happens like we actually saw a need for it. And so we all bought into it. And he saw that there was going to be a need for it because like there was a you know what a theremin is.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:19:48] Yeah. The, um, noise thing.

Aaron Marsh: [00:19:50] They thought that was going to take over TVs. They thought every family was going to have a theremin. But then also people were just like, what? No, that's not going to happen. And so like, the computer actually just happened to be a thing that we did need.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:20:02] Yeah. He, you know, he's brilliant to know that. But also he kind of like took some shortcuts I guess the big thing him and Paul Allen did is they made basic for this computer. Basic already existed. But this new computer called the Altair, they didn't have Basic, so they created a Basic compiler for that computer, which is pretty intense thing to do. But then DOS, which is installed on every IBM computer, they bought it from him, but he kind of like took that from this other guy, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:28] Yeah. There's a lot of cases where Bill gates has done shady stuff. And it's like that quote by Maya Angelou when someone tells you who they are, believe them. And um, another thing they talked that, uh, the guy talks about in the book I mentioned is how he took like, shares, the ownership shares from Paul Allen, who he co-founded Microsoft with. Like, let's say it was 60/40. Paul Allen agreed too quick. So Bill gates comes on and he's like, actually, let's do 70/30. And because he was like so aggressive, he just said more and more of his own ownership shares. And just like over time, continued to dilute his co-founder's shares. And it's like, why are you being a dick, man?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:06] Right, right. And and like the guy who created dos, like, this guy did a lot, he was like the guy that would would be Bill gates. His name is, I think, Gary.

Aaron Marsh: [00:21:15] But that was exactly I think his name is what is his name?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:20] But but to be fair, I mean, every successful person has something there. Like Thomas Edison didn't invent like 200 patents,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:27] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:27] He stole a majority. Absolutely, absolutely. You know, not like. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:21:30] McDonald's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:31] People always think capitalism pushes innovation, but sometimes it it also stops innovation, just as you know, because like this guy Gary Kildall Kildall was his name. You know, he kind of was a computers were open source at that point, you know. So Bill gates did say when Dos came to him, he said, Gary has what you need. It didn't work out with Gary. So Bill then bought dos from this other guy who copied it from Gary. If that makes sense.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:21:54] Yeah,

Aaron Marsh: [00:21:55] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:21:55] And um, and then that's. And then the guy, Gary sued IBM. They offered his operating system on some computers, but it's just one of those things where, like. Yeah, some things, you know, steel, railroads and I guess computing. You just know this is the thing and people who want to control the world. Mhm. Because it's Because one thing they want to be rich is another thing to want your thing in every household. That's that, that will make you rich. But it's not about being rich at that point.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:20] Some people are jerks like we're getting way off. But and this is a personal anecdote, but when I was doing colleges to do college performance work for Stand Up, you do these showcases and all the student council people are at their for all the universities. They go, you see, they see you perform and then afterwards they book you. And it's pretty standard. There's a host and then there's the people who go up in the showcase, and the host usually gets extra time because they have to go first. So they make up. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:22:49] Like a Naka conference or something.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:51] Naka conference. That's right. I was going up after the host and I knew the guy. I knew the comic Faraz. He didn't do any time up top. He just.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:00] Tall. Indian guy, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:01] Yeah, yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:01] Yeah yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:02] He just was like.

Aaron Marsh: [00:23:03] Calling him out.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:03] He told me.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:04] To make sure we're talking about the same person.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:06] Yeah, he just went Up to me right before and he goes, hey, by the way, I'm not going to do any time before you're set. I'm just going to bring you up. And I was like, wait.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:12] So he could do his time later?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:13] Yeah. So that I would warm up the crowd, not him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:17] Yeah. For people listening, that means basically the bullet he was supposed to take, which was to get a cold crowd. He gave that to Cat when it was his job.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:25] Me?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:25] Yeah, yeah,

Aaron Marsh: [00:23:26] With his a shorter set.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:27] Even though he gets double 25, he gets more than double 25 minutes total of performance time to my ten. But he didn't care. He goes. Also I'm going to sabotage you because I'm a jerk,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:40] Right? Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:40] There's people like that who who see things as so competitive that it's not enough to just compete on your talent. They need to also just do whatever shady crap they can.

Aaron Marsh: [00:23:51] I would be so scared to be like, people are jerks. This specific guy, I'm gonna say my name.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:23:56] But if it happened, it happened.

Aaron Marsh: [00:23:57] But it did. It did. Oh, no. Exactly. It's a mirror to the behavior. I agree with it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:01] I didn't say his last name, so.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:03] Yeah, but I mean,

Aaron Marsh: [00:24:03] We know he's tall.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:05] It can't be. They can't be that many. Indian comics name Faraz.

Aaron Marsh: [00:24:10] Also if Faraz is listening. Do your time when they tell you, do your time.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:13] Apologize to me. Okay? Walk up to me the next time we have a show together and say I'm sorry. I was a jerk cat.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:24:20] These kind of things have domino effects, you know? And like this guy, the guy who made dos, like, dos was on every single computer. Like what Bill Gates gets credit for. He did just this one little thing, but still, like, he's basically like the father of computing who didn't make $1 billion. Everyone. But you. If you read comments like Jay-Z versus Dame Dash, we are geared toward whoever wins. To the victor goes the spoils. And as Americans, we will make any excuse up for someone who's rich. Mhm. Part of it is that we all want to be that rich A-hole. But also we don't know how to like make it right. So it's better just to just.

Aaron Marsh: [00:24:58] We're told that's the game of life. It's not about doing life right. It's about collecting the most amount of money.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:25:03] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:03] Uh, CCN article says that not only is his philanthropic cause shady, but his extensive work in vaccines is laced with potential foul play. That's all in quotes, by the way, the Golden University School of Law reports that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has used tactics and resulted in numerous deaths and injuries, with accounts of forced vaccinations and uninformed consent. That's also all in quotes. I did not do that, so don't sue me. Bill Gates is accused of testing unapproved drugs or unsuspecting poor people so you could save money, gather data, and potentially profit off of a patented vaccine. And he's killing people in the process. Again, it's quotes, so don't sue me. Gates has also been recorded saying normalcy only returns when we largely vaccinate the entire global population.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:44] Yeah, but that sounds like the pandemic. And I think that that was correct.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:47] Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:47] But that's me. And in the Twitter trend, hashtag expose Bill gates, one person tweeted, Bill gates wants to control and enslave the human race with vaccines and electronic ID implants. But this is Twitter. It's not a real source. They said he already owns and controls the Who, Fauci, Burch and the CDC and the UK government. And sage. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:10] What's sage.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:11] I thought it was software.

Aaron Marsh: [00:26:13] Yeah, you burn. It cleans house.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:16] He controls sage.

Aaron Marsh: [00:26:18] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:19] Shit. I think he's that powerful.

Aaron Marsh: [00:26:23] It gets rid of the spirits. It puts Bill Gates right in your house, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:28] Who controls Thyme? You know any of these other things,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:31] Right? Right. Well, I'm, uh, I put a bid in for turmeric, but we're still waiting for the. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:36] Father controls time. Get it?

Aaron Marsh: [00:26:39] Oh.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:40] All right. Who's to say he won't use his wealth and power to take over the entire human race?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:45] Now, before I read my part, I'll say this like, okay, cool, right? But these same people are not talking about, like, the Koch brothers or Monsanto.

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:53] Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:53] Elon Musk.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:26:54] Yeah. Like like Monsanto, like, um, you know, getting patents for seeds. Seeds. And I know I get it. You've modified them so you think you own them now. But when your seed blows into another farm and it's starting starts naturally growing. You can't sue that guy. Now. That's how nature.

Aaron Marsh: [00:27:14] Wanna bet, 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:27:14] Right? Yeah. Yeah, right. Seeds fly around and that's how we eat. So it's weird that this energy's coming up now because I feel like suddenly, like in the hood, like there's all these conspiracies, right. And a lot of it is based on, like, things like the Tuskegee experiment, which really did happen, but like people say, oh, don't drink that drink. It's like it'll make you sterile or all this kind of stuff, and it's kind of wacky, but some of it, you can't dismiss it all because some of it, you know, some things have happened. But it's weird. It seems like people for years kind of like, oh, that's all crazy talk. And now because they can sort of attach it to people they don't like or someone they think is on the left or whatever, they all buy into it. When ten years ago they would have said, it's crazy talk. And they're not turning that toward people who are doing the same thing. That's just weird to me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:58] I also feel like the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation has been around for, for forever, for decades. At this point.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:03] No, it hasn't been that long.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:04] I've been around a while, a lot longer than like a lot of time before the pandemic.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:10] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:10] But not not like forever.

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:12] Not okay. Yeah. Not like 100 years, but at least ten. 15. Yeah. It's been around a while, but people only recently started caring because only recently were they being told to take a vaccine and told to mask and told to.

Aaron Marsh: [00:28:26] Yeah, I wasn't told anything about worrying about Bill gates until the vaccine.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:29] Absolutely, absolutely.

Aaron Marsh: [00:28:29] And then it became everybody was like. Wait, what?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:32] ThinG about population control is I think.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:34] It's not control the number.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:28:36] No, I know, but but I think he's talked about birth control, too. And you know, because poor people they have a right to, to keep, you know, repopulating themselves. But a poor person has a child that they can't afford that really affects the quality of life going forward. But rich and middle class Americans are kind of like not having children in the same numbers. So I think there's a lot there too.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:00] Don't even get me started on population. I've been. That's all I've focused on for the last like six months.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:29:04] And so I think some people are afraid the population numbers are going to shift too much.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:08] No, no it's not it's not a afraid thing. It's literally. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:11] It's happening.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:11] It's already happening. I mean, so in order to have to repopulate to our current levels is 2.12.1 children per female. But the problem is that in like Seoul or in Korea, South Korea, it's like 0.7. In Japan it's like under one. In Western Europe it's under one, and America it's under one. The only reason America hasn't the population hasn't fallen off is because of immigration. Without immigration, we'd be screwed. And one of the reasons why China's growth rate remember, it used to be like seven 8% every year. The reason it's 2 to 3% is that the population is falling off and there's too many old people, not enough young people. And everyone always says, well, why? Why is it a problem if there's not enough people? Well, there's a couple of things. One, our economy is based on people buying shit and there's not enough people buying shit because when you get older, you stop buying things. Second thing is, innovation dies when there's no young people. Third thing is that all of a sudden you have a government that needs to take care of a lot of old people, and they're not enough young people to afford it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:02] And everything you just describing is a pyramid of sorts.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:04] Yes, yes,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:05] A population pyramid.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:06] And so the problem is that it went from like it's going to be 10 billion people and we're all going to die because there's not enough things to now, like it's going to be like. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:11] Not enough people.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:12] Not enough people. And only places that are big are central Africa is the only place that has enough people like. And then India is close Indonesia. But like China.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:19] Which is which is probably why like abortion is being trying to take, take and eradicate it. But I think, do you think that's why this is going to sound outrageous? But you think that's why there's more like mixed couples on TV?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:31] Because they want to encourage people to be a little bit less restrictive who they get with?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:37] Whatever, whatever it takes. Let's just do it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:38] What's interesting i mean, like if you look at generationally, I mean, every generation since the baby boomers have had less sex and it's just less sex. Less sex. I mean, like, kids are having it later and later.

Aaron Marsh: [00:30:47] It's not our fault video games got better and better.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:49] Right? That's exactly right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:52] Porn. You know, it's all those things. But anyway. Okay. Let's go.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:30:54] Okay. We all watched a video about wake Up Sheeple that highlights some of the questionable statements Bill gates has made. We'll put a link in our show notes. What do you guys think that video was? So I mean, you can't watch things out of context. I have a joke about false confessions when cops interrogate someone for like 12 hours and the guy's delusional, and then they they get a confession, but it's kind of pieced together. You know, the guy's like, I killed my wife because it's been edited, you know, and that that's what that video was like to me. Like, I'd have to watch each one of those interviews in its entirety. Yeah,

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:27] I remember seeing something where he's like, and there's going to be a pandemic or that there's a risk of a pandemic happening. And I'm like, yeah, there's always been that. Like, we've been talking about that for a while. Like, what's going to happen when the ice caps melt? Well, it might release new viruses and we could have a pandemic like I had heard that a million times, but that doesn't mean that he made the pandemic happen.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:47] I was actually telling my son recently that one of the big changes in his lifetime has been that video is no longer evidence.

Aaron Marsh: [00:31:53] Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:53] When I was when we were kids, like when we saw the Rodney King, it was like, oh shit, they do beat black people. And it's like it was proof, right? It was proof that everything people were saying was true. But now you see a video, you're like, okay, you know?

Aaron Marsh: [00:32:06] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:06] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:07] Like, I don't know what to believe. Like deep fake or cut editing or. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:10] On. The flip side, like I know that that's very impactful. But what I've also seen, especially throughout the last eight years of the Trump era and forward, that people will believe what they want and doubt what they don't like.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:22] No. Of course.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:22] And so it's like, sure, yeah, videos can be faked. But people were selectively choosing what to pay attention and what to weigh this entire time. Yeah. And it's just. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:31] Video could be evidence in a trial.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:33] Yeah. It can't be evidence.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:34] It's no longer evidence. No longer a lot of evidence.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:36] But also that's what that's what computing has done. It's like everything is so customized.

Aaron Marsh: [00:32:41] Bill Gates gave us all the evidence by giving us the internet, and took it all away by making it too good.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:32:44] You only get what you want to get, like it's studying you, so it only reinforces what you already think you don't get. You have to actively seek out something that's different than what you already think you know.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:55]  Exactly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:55] Well, you guys, it's time to put on our thinking caps and think, does Bill Gates want to control the population? When we return, we'll settle this once and for all and figure out what really may be happened. Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories. Does Bill Gates really want to control the population?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:33:15] I will say one thing about any kind of dystopian future. You know, you watch science fiction movies or you read science fiction books, like so much has been already predicted, right, in terms of, um, books from the 40s and 30s Describe the internet and things like that. Right. And so we have always thought that this dystopian future would be like some kind of, like oppressive government takes over and, you know, we can't move freely, not realizing that, like, all these changes would be willingly accepted and we would pay for them. Right? Like, everyone has a ring camera now. Everyone thinks, oh, this is going to save me. The only thing that's going to do is if you get murdered, they may be able to figure out who murdered you. People still steal your packages. They just walk up, they wave at the camera. You're not going to do anything. So. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:01] Are you the one that stole my package?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:03] Right, right. I've seen it. I've seen people come or they put, like, a slight mask on. Meanwhile, every, like, probably 80% of the houses now have cameras on the front of them that they purchased. Everyone bought their own phone. You can you carry the chip around with you? So whatever control that that it will be sort of like, um, levied against us. We are going to willingly accept it, or at least in the early stages, and we're going to pay for it. So that's why I think some of this is overbloated now, my theory, I think that Bill gates fucked over a lot of people on his way to being a billionaire. I mean, he's brilliant, man, by the way. A story I never tell actually had an interview with Microsoft.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:42] No, you say that you said that like four times.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:34:43] I've told you. Okay, okay, I didn't know I told you. I don't know if i told you, but it's why I started stand up. That's why it's important. Yeah. So anyway, I think he pissed off some people. And so I think the family of this Gary Kildall who really created MS-DOS and should be, you know, at least a billionaire, not I'm not saying he deserves all of Bill Gates's money or whatever. I think his family, they don't want him to, like, have done all these bad or sort of like questionable business deals and also get to be like this. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:12] Hero,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:13] Savior, hero guy. So they're just trying to throw some shade on his name.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:16] Oh so, they're doing like a PR campaign against him.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:18] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:18] Oh, that's online.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:19] Because basically when you when you're a billionaire and you start to give all your money away before you die, that's your way of like apologizing to all the people you dicked over. Like I was a piece of shit, but hey, I'm gonna give some money away. So the families of people he, you know, fucked over, they're like, hmm. No, you don't get to be such a hero. So we're going to taint you. So I think it's a massive PR campaign.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:39] That's great.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:35:40] Yeah. And I don't think he's really trying to control the population. I mean, but he might be right because he sees he's he's like three steps ahead of everybody.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:47] So okay, so here's my theory. Bill gates is not the one that is trying to control the population. It's actually Steve Jobs like I even saw an article like I was reading an article about how like, why a PC people are better than Apple people, and then even there they're like, oh, they're PC people are more conservative, more old Mac people are foodies PC people like lower brow media like this is all propaganda. Pc is always better, always been better than Mac. And I think it's just been like, this is part of the Apple PC war that started when we were kids, when, you know, there was the Apple two C versus the PC. And so I think this is just part of that conspiracy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:20] So, so. Like Steve Jobs getting back at Bill gates for making him sound like the asshole.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:24] Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:25] So similar to what I'm saying. But except it's Steve Jobs.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:28] Steve Jobs is actually the one that's been doing this whole thing. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:30] Interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:31] And he's actually. But no. And he's also controlling the world because you meet Apple people there. I mean, like, I'm not an apple. I have no apple. Things in my house like you meet them and they're like, oh, I have to have my iPhone and my glasses and my fucking watch. And. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:42] Some people are like that, but I have an iPad and a MacBook, but I have an Android, like I don't,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:46] But. But a lot. But most people aren't like that. Most people are like, I need everything. And then like you even suggest that there's like a PC or Android and they're like, they can't even like they think I'm like, stupid.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:55] No, my buddy will get every new thing they have.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:58] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:36:58] And like, I got a new iPad, but I loaned someone money and they were like, hey, I got this new iPad. So. So that's how I got paid back. So I was actually thinking of getting off of Apple. But then when someone's gonna pay you back, you take it however they're gonna.

Aaron Marsh: [00:37:13] Yeah you're right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:13] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:14] One of the best things about PC is that it's customizable, right. You could kind of put things together.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:18] And it's open source.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:18] It's open source. Whereas like Apple's. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:20] More open source,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:21] I mean more open source than I mean Apple. If you don't use Apple, you can't like you can't get to the thing like I mean, I remember one of my I'm a baseball coach and all the Apple people send me videos of something that happens on the field, and the videos come out on my phone as like, super blurry because, like, they have to do something. I don't know what they have to do, but they have to do something different than just send me the video.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:38] Apple has been fucking with the text messages, so if you don't, if you have an Android, you don't get all the text messages correctly from Apple people.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:45] Yeah. So like we realized we had to like we had to send like a WhatsApp to me with the video for me to see it clearly, or else it was blurry. And it's, it's like that's like, that's an apple thing. Apple is trying to control people, not PC. So that's my thing.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:37:59] Interesting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:59] Okay.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:00] But how is that controlling population? Are people just too busy with their products to to bone or like what?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:05] Well, they're just they're just trying to make you get first. They're going to get you in the cult of Apple, and then they're going to sell you something crazy and make you stupid.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:11] I tell you, the first time I went to an Apple Store, I was thoroughly annoyed, and now I'm more used to it. But I was like, uh, I don't know if you're a genius. What's happening here? You know what I mean?

Aaron Marsh: [00:38:21] I still don't like it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:22] Yeah, yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:24] My theory is that Chinese aliens.

Aaron Marsh: [00:38:28] Are all right.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:29] Good, good. Very nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:32] Or, I mean, they don't have to be Chinese aliens, but aliens. Okay, I think there's aliens. They want to control the population and distract us so that we're not actually focusing on what they're doing. And so they were like, who has who have all Americans heard of that is powerful enough for us to scare them with? And they're like, Bill. Gates,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:38:52] Taylor Swift. No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:53] Well. That's more recent. That's more recent. Four years ago during the pandemic, it's like he's a household name and he's got enough power and money to be a boogeyman. And so the aliens were like, this is it. We're going to pin it on them, but they're not going to be paying close enough attention to see it coming. Now, this is the aliens are really a metaphor. I think we do have other political adversaries on the global stage, countries that hate us. It could be Russia, China, Iran, Qatar, Qatar. I don't know, but they've got a lot of money and do some shady stuff.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:27] I don't know, probably Russia.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:28] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:29] They have teamed up really? Like there's also countries like Turkey, um, where they have values and ideologies are a lot aligned with, with Putin who want to see democracy go down. And so what can they do? Well, they can make you doubt your own government by making Bill gates seem like a boogeyman and push the propaganda from there. But we'll say it's aliens. Sure.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:39:53] So are they trying to? Maybe. Maybe they're the ones doing population control. Because. Because if people don't take certain vaccines, then they may, they may, they may die.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:01] Well, I Think when you're talking about population control, I don't think he's talking about the control of like the number of kids I think he's talking more about, like being able to control what they.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:08] What they do, what they believe, who they vote for. Because if you look at there's there is a really crazy thing I saw it was from The Daily Show of people at a Trump rally, and they were wearing the American flag and all that. Like they're so patriotic. They ask them about a dictator, like, would you be cool with Trump as a dictator? A question like that. And they're like, yeah, I think we need that. We need whatever we can do to make.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:40:30] Trump is a dictator for one day, or Biden as a president or something is. Yeah. Trump said he would be. He'd be a dictator on day one and then he wouldn't be after that or something is years from.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:40] But it's icky. The whole thing is icky to me. And I've talked to people who say that even not on like just in person, who are like, yeah, sure, dictatorship is fine as long as I can have X, y, z political agenda happen and it's like, wow, how did you get there?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:40:55] That's why I think the extreme left and the extreme right are sort of in cahoots, because you get people there by like, like you show a video of a of a guy, you know, a person who used to be a man or, you know, is transitioning and he's dominating women in sports. And like, I don't know how common that is. First off,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:12] It's not very common,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:13] Right? It's probably not very common. But people see that and it's a knee jerk reaction to like this is what's going to happen. That little thing can push people more to the right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:21] Yeah. I mean. It's like it's like the bathroom. I mean, yeah, people talk about the bathrooms like every single, but it's not an issue. It's not an issue. I mean.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:27] I've never Had it Be an it's never an issue.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:29] But they make it like because it's scary. It seems scary.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:32] Oh, the whole World is coming to an end. The only one that can save us are like people who have some common sense. And they happen to be on the right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:41:38] Which is crazy.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:39] Yeah.

Aaron Marsh: [00:41:39] Uh, I don't think he started with that. I think he started just as a guy who wanted to make a ton of money. And of course, like, he got into a thing that made way more money than he ever thought he was gonna make with it. And at that point, I thought it was. He was like, you know, I could actually control the population. I'm pro him trying to.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:56] Because the money didn't do anything for him anymore. You're saying?

Aaron Marsh: [00:41:58] Yeah, exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:41:59] Yeah. Right.

Aaron Marsh: [00:41:59] Because there came a point, like when they tried to remember, like I think it was the late 90s or early 2000 when Microsoft tried to monopolize their product and they had to be divided. Yeah, the government had to divide them. And he was like furious. And it was like, then he created the. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:42:14] Bill Melinda Gates.

Aaron Marsh: [00:42:14] That's when that showed up. And it was also like, if this guy didn't if the monopoly was a thing like, or if he was as charitable as that, uh, foundation is, he wouldn't be against ripping apart his monopoly. But now that he's a monopoly ripped apart, he's like, yeah, ever since then, all of a sudden he's 99.96. Also, if you are that rich and you can just donate that 99, let's say point eight and you're still that rich and but you get to live in the world. You get to actually see what your money did. You can live in the utopia. And he's still choosing not to is because he still needs poor people to manipulate and control. Right? Because he could stop that now, and he could be the guy that did it and have a statue everywhere of himself of just like, oh, look, I'm the guy that solved all of these problems because I have so much of the world money.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:01] Well, okay. So to be fair, real quick, what's one of the. Because I worked in a nonprofit for a really long time, and one of the problems with Gates Foundation or a lot of these foundations is that they artificially flood a market. So like, for example, they become like these these organizations become dependent on the money.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:15] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:15] And then they also don't end up solving the problems. They just exacerbate.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:19] They lead to inflation of sorts.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:20] Yeah. So like it's hard to like like so even if you gave he gave all his money. It's like it doesn't really solve the problem.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:27] But the other thing is like okay that's great. You know, maybe he has good intentions, but my man Gary.

Aaron Marsh: [00:43:32] Gary,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:33] Take care of his people, you hear me? Yeah. He died. And like, I think 94. But take care of Gary.

Aaron Marsh: [00:43:39] There's only one super rich person I ever saw that I was like, I never saw him in person. There was like, that person's not trying to control the world because I think all super rich people are trying to control the world. Except for Tom from Myspace, who got his money and went, you know what? I'm gone.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:51] He was just trying to get laid. That's what Tom was trying.

Aaron Marsh: [00:43:54] Yeah, and he got everything he wanted and went, you know, I'm gonna go home forever,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:43:58] Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:58] I mean to be fair, also, like, we make fun of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, but there's no Steve Jobs Foundation in the same way, right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:44:05] Yeah. That's true.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:06] Okay.

Aaron Marsh: [00:44:06] Like, there's this thing he did with Pixar.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:08] Uh, Elon Musk is not doing the same thing, you know, like, I mean, like a lot of the super I mean, one of the biggest criticisms of that, like kind of the the boomer generation, is that they hold wealth. Right? And one of the, one of the things of like that earlier generations of wealthy people, Rockefellers or all those guys, was that they did give a lot of money away. They I mean, almost every nonprofit was started by that generation. And then what what every nonprofit is struggling with is that the next their kids aren't giving them money, giving it. And then the. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:35] Why? 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:36] Well, because that generation holds the money. That's why I like one of my favorite books is called The Sociopath Generation. They call the boomers a sociopath because they've held the money.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:43] I want to read that. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:43] They've held the money. I mean, one of I mean, think about like before 1964, the United States government was always, uh, we were never in debt like we had to pay our debt off. It wasn't till Vietnam we paid our World War Two debt. And what did they do? They fucking exploded it. So much that, like, you know, we can never pay off our debt,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:44:58] Right? Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:59] And who pays that? It's like the kids. The kids, the kids, the kids.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:45:02] That's that's why like, right in England had to reset. And I know people hear the word reset and that that has a bad connotation too. But England had that. I guess you would call it a feudal system, but they had to like really tax the lords and all of that because they had everything. And it was there was no where to go. So they had to I mean, this there's still their families are still rich.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:19] I mean. Yeah, the Rockefellers were still rich. They're super still rich, but they were still giving away money. They were still doing things. I mean, it was like. And by no means am I saying that they were doing it totally nobly. Right. And they're like, but on some level, they were trying to do things and help people. And they started every I mean, think about every major art museum in the United States was started by that generation.

Aaron Marsh: [00:45:37] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:38] Every major nonprofit was started by that generation. And, you know, like, I mean, I was in a nonprofit board where we have conversations where, okay, this person whose parents started it, we have to talk to their kids. And then when you talk to the kids, they're not interested. They don't want to be there. They don't want to fund it. They don't want to do anything even though they have as much money as their parents did.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:52] So at this point in the show, it's time for us to pick the unofficial official story, one that will answer this question once and for all. So which one do we want to go with you guys?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:03] So to review Aaron yours is that he is controlling the population.

Aaron Marsh: [00:46:07] Yeah yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:07] Okay. Which I don't hate.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:09] And all and all rich people do too.

Aaron Marsh: [00:46:10] That's yeah all rich people are just competing for it. But he also controls the knowledge and shit. You know, like he controls our source of how to find out.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:16] I don't hate I don't hate that. That's that's why, like, if you, uh. From what I hear, if you ever go to a porn site, you know. Uh.

Aaron Marsh: [00:46:24] What? Can you tell me where those are so I can make sure never to go to them?

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:26] What? What is that? I don't know what those are.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:29] I'm your accountability partner,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:30] Right? Right, right, right. No what I mean? Is that, like, some of those categories are for people who, like, have exhausted all the other categories. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Yeah. And now they need and you know, I'm like, whoa, that's that's over the deep end. Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:42] If you were if you were to be on one of those sites.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:44] Yeah. If you were. So I think with billionaires there is this thing of like, there is something boring about having no struggle. Right? You have enough money to buy anything you want, you can do anything you want. And then so there's a new challenge, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:56] That's Epstein's island.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:46:57] Yeah. That's why these rich people gamble, right? Yeah. Like Epstein's island. And and that's another thing with like that island is like, you know, I've never been. So I don't know the deal. It's like a puffy party. It's like not everyone had a puffy party, did crazy things because some people didn't go upstairs. Some people didn't go to the third floor, some people didn't go in that room, you know, and I don't know, like it's sort of like we become like, if you were at that party, then you did something crazy. If you were on Epstein's island,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:20] It sounds like you were on the island.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:22] No, no, I'm just I'm just wondering,

Aaron Marsh: [00:47:24] How do you know there's a third floor?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:28] I'm just.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:29] Okay, so your theory was the, uh. It's.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:32] My theory was that. Yeah. It's, um, the family of Gary Kildall. Yeah. Or it could be anyone but anyone he screwed over.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:39] Yeah, and mine was. Steve Jobs is actually controlling the world, right? He's actually trying to control it, but he's blaming Bill gates and yours.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:45] And mine was aliens.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:46] Aliens. All right, so who are you gonna vote for?

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:48] It's tough. You know what? I like the apple. I like the apple theory. I like the apple theory.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:52] I'm voting for the apple one, too, because it's mine.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:54] Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:55] All right. Dwayne.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:47:56] Let's see what. Aaron.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:57] Aaron, what do you got?

Aaron Marsh: [00:47:57] Oh, it's the people pleaser. I was hoping it would already be settled.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:01] It is part of helping you get out of that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:03] It's two zero right now.

Aaron Marsh: [00:48:04] No, I actually really like the idea of the MS-DOS still coming back. Like still chasing, getting the revenge.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:10] Okay,

Aaron Marsh: [00:48:10] I like revenge, I love blood. Let's do it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:13] I like I like that, so I know I put you on the spot because if you.

Aaron Marsh: [00:48:16] I'm fine with it.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:16] If you picked yours, I was going to go with yours, I was actually.

Aaron Marsh: [00:48:19] Oh, interesting.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:21] But I'll go with Koji's since, which is similar to mine. And also we won't end in a tie and I don't. It's not like I really, you know, trust Apple. Like when a PC breaks down, you can kind of do something about it. When an apple breaks down, it's just like, you gotta get a new one.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:48:35] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:36] But apples don't get viruses as much. So that's. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:39] So they last longer. They do last longer. Yeah. And you know what? Even though I did vote for Koji.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:44] As much as they cost they should last longer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:45] Even though I did vote for Koji, I secretly still believe mine. Used to say that.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:48:51] All right. But I also think it could just be that he is doing this. But maybe not in a super nefarious way. But. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:48:56] It's just like in a greedy kind of fucker way. And that is the official story. We'll take another break and then when we return, we'll figure out the first thing each of us would decree if we achieved world domination.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:10] Let's imagine we all took over the world. What would each of us decree first? Mm mm mm. It's really, really tough.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:17] I would make the Asians the overlords.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:19] Really.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:19] I mean, for no personal reasons. I mean.

Aaron Marsh: [00:49:21] Not one,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:22] No.

Aaron Marsh: [00:49:22] Not one,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:22] Not one. Just.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:23] Right.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:24] Just throwing it out there.

Aaron Marsh: [00:49:24] It was crazy. I also would make the Asians the overlords. Because people hate the overlords.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:37] Oh, God, this is such a girl. Answer. I do not pass the Bechdel test, you guys, I. I want a husband. First things first. I would have a competition of who gets to be my partner.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:49] Like. Like the Bachelorette kind of thing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:51] That's right.

Aaron Marsh: [00:49:51] The whole world.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:52] The whole world.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:49:53] Nice.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:54] I have a competition. Who wants to be married to the Overlord And you know, it'll be fun. It'll be a whole thing. I think we should have one of those, like, Japanese obstacle courses where they can jump and they fall in the water. I think that should be part of it.

Aaron Marsh: [00:50:08] I think dating shows should be more like Wipeout. That is correct.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:11] Exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:12] Yeah, I think so too.

Cat Alvarado: [00:50:13] That's I forgot the name.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:14] I feel like, um, I feel like I just have a list of things, but a list of things. I'll give you 1 or 2 examples, but they're all punishable by death. Like, for instance, unless this first one. If you're under five, three, we'll give you. We'll let it slide.

Aaron Marsh: [00:50:29] Jesus. So I'm the cutoff.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:32] Well, maybe. Maybe five five, I don't know, but if you put if you put luggage in the top, uh, overhead luggage not in the way they told you. Meaning, if you don't put the wheels first or, you know, if you don't put the wheels first. Uh, death.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:50:46] Oddly specific.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:47] When the, uh, when the luggage is coming out and everyone's getting their luggage, you have to say we're going to draw a line around it.

Aaron Marsh: [00:50:53] Well, you got world domination you just got pet peeves you want to take care of.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:50:56] Yeah, but these But these pet peeves have bigger implications because they just happen to general empathy and consideration. So if we teach you these, hopefully it will spill over to other things. So when the wheel is spinning around the luggage wheel you have to stand. There's a line, it's about three feet away, and you can't cross that line until you see your luggage.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:16] This is the most comedian thing I've ever heard someone say.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:51:20] If you do cross that line without your luggage being near death. I was in the airport, right? This guy got his luggage and stood right there, and he's on his phone and I'm giving him a pass. I'm like, he must be waiting for another piece of luggage now. He should wait a little bit behind, but maybe it's coming right after 5 or 10 minutes and then he just leaves. He just chose to do his computing and texting right there. You see what I'm saying. So we have a list of these things and um, and all punishable. But by death.

Aaron Marsh: [00:51:52] Man I am i feel like I'm so liberal. I'm like a four day workweek. Basic income.

Aaron Marsh: [00:51:58] That's not bad. That's actually like,

Aaron Marsh: [00:51:59] I want to pay. I just want people to sleep more. I want everyone to sleep more so we can all just be less tense.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:04] I feel like I wasted mine. That's a really good.

Aaron Marsh: [00:52:07] Yeah. I wasn't killing anyone. I was he'd be less stressed about it because he's like, oh my sleep day, you know?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:13] Right, right. One thing you tap into is there's more money than people think. And like, even when like, uh, Covid happened, they were giving money, like, yeah, even people always like, you know, no wealth redistribution. That's how England was saved. That's what world the world wars are some version of that. It's like monopoly. And excuse me if I'm infringing on a joke because I know, um, Zoltan may have a similar joke, but you're playing monopoly, and, like, one guy clearly won. Um, the only thing to do is to start another game.

Cat Alvarado: [00:52:41] Um,

Aaron Marsh: [00:52:41] Did you know the game of monopoly was to teach children why that's bad?

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:45] Is that right?

Aaron Marsh: [00:52:46] Yeah. But instead, as Americans were like, this is the rules of our country.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:49] That's.

Cat Alvarado: [00:52:50] Oh, God.

Aaron Marsh: [00:52:50] Yeah, exactly.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:51] I want to I want to change my decree if I can.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:52:54] Oh you can't. You already did the airport thing. 

Dwayne Perkins: [00:52:57] Because I'm thinking now. Because. 

Aaron Marsh: [00:52:59] A different part of the airport now.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:01] Right? Right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:53:04] Now we know what we would each decree first.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:06] By the way, can I just say that Dwayne missed the most important thing that happens in an airport that's annoying was that are the people that want to like, they get up right when the plane lands and they try to get forward? Oh no, that's even that's worse than everything you just said.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:17] No, no, I only gave you a small list. Of course, that's punishable by death.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:20] I just want to make sure.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:21] Like, because no one in the history of life has made it from the back of the airplane to the front of the airplane doing that, I'm going to get up and walk real fast. Move. And so some guy does it and he gets like four rows and you're like, are you happy? Are you proud of yourself?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:35] I had the funniest thing. We were coming back from, uh, we're going back from Chicago for from a baseball tournament. And it was southwest flying into Burbank. And this lady got up and went, like, six rows, like we were in the. I sit in the back because I know in southwest, and you can.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:47] Exit through the back. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:48] Right. So I knew it. That's why I sat back there. But this woman didn't. And so she like, booked it up like halfway.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:53] That's perfect.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:53] And then like.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:54] And she's stuck.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:55] And then she got stuck on both sides.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:53:56] Yeah. Yeah.

Aaron Marsh: [00:53:57] And that's great.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:53:58] Because that's why like. And then I think like we all kind of looked at each other and we kind of let her go past everybody. And then we all just got up and we turned around because she was in the second to last row. That was the funniest thing. She was like, she would have been the first people out. One of the.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:09] She was in the back first class.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:11] Yeah,

Dwayne Perkins: [00:54:12] In a way.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:54:13] Sorry. Anyway, go ahead.

Cat Alvarado: [00:54:14] There you go. Anyways, thank you, Aaron, for coming on with us. Please tell us where people can follow you and listen to your show.

Aaron Marsh: [00:54:20] Sweet. I mean, you can get putting up with Aaron Michael Marsh anywhere you get podcasts. And then I'm at Aaron Marsh on everything. There you go. Boom.

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Cat Alvarado: [00:55:18] Please join us next month when we celebrate the anniversary of the UFO sighting in Ruwa, Zimbabwe by asking, did aliens visit Zimbabwe to tell children the world was ending?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:29] Have you guys even heard of this case?

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:30] I have never heard of this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:31] Oh, okay. This is gonna be really interesting. I mean, what's what's really funny is that a lot of the UFO and alien abduction stories are very western like. Like a lot of the famous ones are England or United States, but, like, this is one of the most famous cases, and it happens to be in Africa. So I think it's a really interesting case.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:45] You ever see that movie The Gods Must be crazy?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:46] Yes.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:47] Great movie, great movie. But it just made me think of this. I know, but it made me think of it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:50] Yeah.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:51] They didn't know what it was, right? That's true. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:52] It could have been aliens.

Dwayne Perkins: [00:55:53] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:55:53] All right, well, thank you guys.

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:55] Thank you.

Aaron Marsh: [00:55:55] Thank you for having me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:55:56] Bye.