S4E8 Was Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival a Blood Sacrifice

S4E8 Was Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival a Blood Sacrifice.mp3

Jonesy: [00:00:00] If you could go to a festival, past or present, which one would you go to?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:04] Okay. Um, I would go to the original Woodstock.

Jonesy: [00:00:08] Oh. So unoriginal. Of course.

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:10] Oh, no. Okay, okay, take it back.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:12] No, no. It's fine. You can go to that. Why would you go to that?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:14] Because it's historical. Duh. I want to know what happened. I want to see what it was like. And then, for comparison, I want to go to the one that happened. That was a horrible horror show where everybody died. Or, like, a guy died.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:26] Nobody died.

Jonesy: [00:00:28] Oh, you mean the. You want to go to the original Woodstock in 1968 or whatever it was? And then the the 1 in 1999, or was it 69 and 99?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:36] I want to go to the one in Northern California where this one dude died and and the the bikers were the bodyguards and the stage was like,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:00:44] No, no. That wasn't Woodstock. That was, uh,

Jonesy: [00:00:47] Yeah, that wasn't Woodstock. That wasn't Woodstock 99. And by the way, Woodstock 99. I think more than one person died at that one. I think that was the one. They all lit everything on fire at the end. Remember that?

Cat Alvarado: [00:00:56] Oh, yeah. That's a really good Netflix doc. I highly recommend that. 

Jonesy: [00:00:59] That's a really good documentary, right? And I love all the bands that are on there, you know, Rage Against the Machine and Limp Bizkit. I love those bands.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:06] Jewel for no reason was there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:08] Jewel was there. Oh my God, you were meant for me.

Jonesy: [00:01:11] Yeah. They sprinkled. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, they sprinkled in Jewel and Alanis Morissette and like, I think like Bonnie Raitt or another. Like they had to, they had to inject some of these other bands. They felt as though they were just way outside of the range of what that theme of that, of that whole festival was.

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:28] Like Limp Bizkit and Jewel should never be on the same lineup.

Jonesy: [00:01:31] Yeah, right. Although maybe they can reside somewhat together, because Limp Bizkit would be like, give me something to break. And then she would be like, like a man's heart that I just hate together.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:44] Or her heart that was broken by some dude.

Jonesy: [00:01:46] She's a man hater. That's why I say that. She's a man.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:01:49] She's a man hater.

Jonesy: [00:01:50] She's a man hater. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:50] Okay

Jonesy: [00:01:51] I was going to ask you, Cat. Did you. Do you want to go to Woodstock, the original Woodstock, because they had the best Acid back then?

Cat Alvarado: [00:01:59] Um, sure. I mean, I don't really do drugs, but.

Jonesy: [00:02:03] Oh, you don't,

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:03] Get some and bring them back to present day and give them to a friend.

Jonesy: [00:02:07] Yeah, right.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:08] I'm considerate like that.

Jonesy: [00:02:09] I hear that in those days, they had the strongest and best acid, and now they don't really make it quite like that anymore.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:15] So I have a bunch of answers. So my, my original answer, which is not fun, I'll just say that real quick, is I want to go to the Death Row concert at the House of Blues with Tupac and the whole Death Row right before he died, and the whole thing, because that was like, that's like, I dream about that concert. I wish I was. I went there, all that stuff. I wasn't old enough to go, but I wish I could have gone there. The two fun ones that I came up with is okay. So first the one I would really want to go is a Fire the Fry Festival, Fire festival, whatever it's called.

Cat Alvarado: [00:02:40] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:02:41] Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:02:42] Because it would be like awesome. I could talk about how I was there and like, I couldn't imagine it was that hard. They these people were just like, they could handle a little bit of I know it was rainy and everything, but it wasn't like, you know, they're dying or anything. They were just inconvenienced for a couple days. It was fine, but it would have been totally awesome to have been there and said I was there. But Cat you reminded me of Woodstock because one of my past life or hypnosis regressions, I was actually at Woodstock, and in that past life it was in all my past life was really sad, but this one was particularly sad. I remember I was at Woodstock and the girl that in every store, in every past life I was with, she had left me at the concert. I was walking around the whole concert just looking for her because I couldn't find her, and I wanted to talk to her. So I spent the entire concert just looking and looking and looking. I was so frustrated because I couldn't find her and I just wanted to talk to her. So I remember being like, this is so stupid, why can't I be doing, like, watching the show or having fun or using drugs, like Jonesy said? But. But, Jonesy, what about you? What concert would you go to?

Jonesy: [00:03:45] You didn't say concert. You said festival or.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:48] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:48] Sorry. Festival. Festival. Sorry.

Jonesy: [00:03:49] Mine's not a music festival. I hope you're okay with that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:52] Yeah, sure.

Jonesy: [00:03:52] Well, have you guys heard of the Cheung Chau Bun Festival.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:03:56] No.

Cat Alvarado: [00:03:56] No.

Jonesy: [00:03:57] It's a giant bun festival that takes place in Hong Kong. And. And the culmination of it is they build a giant tower of buns, and contestants climb up the tower. And as you get to the top, the value of the buns increases, and you're supposed to put as many buns as you can in your satchel. But if the higher the bun, the more valuable it's worth. And then there's a time limit. So you have to get up to the top and back down. And then they add up all the all the buns that you've collected and to to have a winner. But then it's like an entire week of eating buns and listening to music. Who doesn't like buns and music?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:29] What do you get if you win?

Jonesy: [00:04:31] I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what you get if you win. I mean honor and i'm Sure. Yeah. It's a traditional festival that was first held to celebrate the end of some sort of plague. So, I mean, it also has some, you know, historical significance. And it's it's very symbolic and it just looks like fun. And I just, I love buns, I love eating buns, and I love and I love music and I it looks like fun climbing the the tower of buns. And it's weird.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:04:58] You like buns too? You like dudes buns?

Jonesy: [00:05:00] I do.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:01] Yeah,

Jonesy: [00:05:01] I love buns. I've been bun man for sure.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:07] I'm surprised nobody said the penis festival in Japan.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:10] Oh, I knew you were gonna say that.

Jonesy: [00:05:12] I know about that penis festival. That's right, that's right. I covered that in my podcast a few times. Yeah, that's a wild one, man. They put them on their heads and they walk around. Oh, my God, they carry large giant ones. Yeah, they carry large ones on platforms like giant ones and with flowers on them, they. Wow. It's very, very odd. Very funny.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:35] Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is season four, episode eight of the award winning unofficial official story. I'm Cat.

Jonesy: [00:05:43] Hi Cat. I'm Jonesy, your guest host slash guest today taking over for Dwayne who apparently is in Asia, probably eating some steamed buns himself. It's nice to be here.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:05:56] And I am Koji.

Cat Alvarado: [00:05:57] This is where we tell you the official story. We look at paranormal conspiracies, unexplained phenomena, cryptids and true crime. And by the end, we'll tell you what really maybe happened.

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Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:26] And November marks the anniversary of what was supposed to be the two day festival, Astroworld. And we're asking the very important question were the deaths at Travis Scott's Astroworld festival a blood sacrifice?

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:37] Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:37] So we don't have a guest so we could just chat real quick. We're a couple weeks away from Thanksgiving or a week away from Thanksgiving right. What are you guys doing for Thanksgiving?

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:46] I might be going to Houston to see my family. And incidentally, my niece who was at Astroworld.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:53] Oh, wow.

Jonesy: [00:06:54] We have we have a link to Astroworld. We gotta get to.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:06:58] Was she sacrificed?

Cat Alvarado: [00:06:59] No. She survived.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:01] She survived.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:02] She. She sold her soul to the devil.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:04] She sold her soul to the devil.

Cat Alvarado: [00:07:06] His magic powers now she's very wealthy. Um, she was there. And then she was there with her boyfriend, and he saw what was going on. He's like, let's get the heck out of here. And they. They got out before anything serious happened.

Jonesy: [00:07:19] Oh, man. Thank God. That's that's crazy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:21] Jonesy What are you doing for Thanksgiving?

Jonesy: [00:07:23] Oh, I'm going to I'm going to be in Massachusetts with my family.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:26] But do you wear those hats like the pilgrim hats that I saw on Thanksgiving movie Eli Roth's? No, that's a different part. Okay. Sorry.

Jonesy: [00:07:35] I think I might have did that in first grade. It's a school Thanksgiving that we had. You know, when we made a turkey out of our tracing our hand. Do you ever do that? You trace your hand?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:07:44] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:07:44] On paper. And then you turn it into a turkey. Yeah. I'm just I'm looking forward to going home for some uh. Home cooking and all that. We typically eat Italian food on Thanksgiving, so we don't really do the turkey and once in a while, but most, most of the time we do lasagna and meatballs and raviolis. And so I am so looking forward to some homemade Italian food.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:08] Cat do you guys do anything different for Thanksgiving or is it pretty traditional?

Jonesy: [00:08:11] I do Italian food.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:12] Yeah, you do Italian food. But what about cat?

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:14] Yeah. So when I celebrate with my family, with my Latin family, we also do pork. There's like this pork dish with olives. It's actually South American. My family's Central American, but my uncle is from Uruguay.

Jonesy: [00:08:26] What's it called? That pork dish.

Cat Alvarado: [00:08:27] I don't know what it's called. It's like pork. And then it's, like, rolled up and then the rolled up part. It's like spinach and olives.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:33] Oh, that sounds good.

Jonesy: [00:08:34] Oh, man, I was Getting ready to Google this and, like, drool over a photo of your your traditional pork dish. Oh, man.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:08:42] And after Thanksgiving I'm staying home. We're just inviting a bunch of people over. We always have different people at my house because we're where all was. The house that has a bunch of, uh. I don't want to say random because it makes it sound like they're just people I don't care about, but I do care about them. But they're usually people that don't have, you know, other families or anything. So they always come over. And the only thing that we do different is we have rice. We usually eat rice with our food because, you know, being Asian rice, it's all you have to if you come over, you have to eat rice.

Jonesy: [00:09:08] Do you put a gravy over the rice or.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:10] Yeah. That's actually really good. Yeah. You put rice and gravy. I mean, I'm not a big turkey guy, but on this one day we could eat turkey. I guess Thanksgiving is probably my least one of my least favorite holidays, I think.

Cat Alvarado: [00:09:21] Yeah, it's kind of a lame one.

Jonesy: [00:09:23] I was going to ask, would you say, would you categorize what you're doing as a Friendsgiving?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:09:27] No, no, because it's my family. And usually usually we invite family. But then, you know, like, for example, I own a jiu jitsu studio in Alhambra, and my partner and his daughter is coming because they don't really have anybody else. And it's kind of, you know, like there's not like it's hard to have a big Thanksgiving meal when you only have two people. So we invite them over, you know, and then my stepdad and another person and, you know, just kind of people that are related or friends or close friends, like the guy that does the, uh, the jiu jitsu studio with me is a really close friend. So, you know, they're not just like random random, but they are, uh, they're not like, some of them aren't aren't family. Family.

Jonesy: [00:10:01] This is good to know, because I sometimes I'll be stuck in LA with nothing to do on Thanksgiving. And now I. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:06] Come to my house.

Jonesy: [00:10:07] Yeah, now I know. I never knew I've spent Thanksgiving. Uh, one time I had Thanksgiving at a Panda Express.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:14] What?

Jonesy: [00:10:14] Yeah, yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:15] And the best part? At the end, you'll get an oriental massage.

Jonesy: [00:10:18] Oh, really?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:19] Yeah. Happy ending. Sorry.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:23] From your wife. That is so generous.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:25] From me. From me? What are you talking. 

Jonesy: [00:10:27] From him

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:30] You need a you need a strong hand, not a soft, weak hand.

Jonesy: [00:10:34] But although his hands are strong, they're very smooth. I don't know if you've ever seen a writer's hands, but they're super smooth, so they're good. They're good for happy endings. They're a good happy ending. Hands.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:43] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:10:43] Writer's hands.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:44] Yeah. There's no day work happening. So, you know, it's it's all just typing.

Cat Alvarado: [00:10:49] Let's get the story straight once and for all.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:52] Yep. Let's do it.

Jonesy: [00:10:52] Come on. Let's go.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:10:53] For a long time, celebrities have been accused of being part of fallacies like the Illuminati or worshipping the devil.

Jonesy: [00:11:00] Oh, I'm so sorry. I thought it said, uh. For a long time, celebrities have been accused of being part of fellatio. I just looked at it really quickly.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:09] Oh, I did the same thing.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:10] To be clear This was written by one of my interns, and yeah, Lexi, she wrote it. So, you know, I was like, fallacies. Fallacies is like a good word. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:11:18] Great word.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:19] However, these accusations are rarely backed up by real evidence, like being responsible for the deaths of others. This is the case for Travis Scott. On November 5th, 2021 at 9 p.m., he walked on stage at NRG Park in Houston, Texas. Not ten minutes after that, fans were already distressed due to the density of the crowd. Scott did stop the show a few times in order to help people, but hundreds were injured and ten died due to compression Asphyxia. Asphyxia. Is that how you say that word?

Jonesy: [00:11:48] Asphyxia. Asphyxia. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:50] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:11:51] So is this from people getting caught up in crowd or is there a hidden force behind it?

Cat Alvarado: [00:11:56] Mhm. Well, from the beginning of his fame, Travis Scott has encouraged his fans to quote rage, which he defines as, quote, having fun and expressing good feelings. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. It's like if, if you have to say it then it's not the normal thing because I think normally people are at concerts having fun and expressing good feelings. So rage is extra. This careless behavior, which he encourages, has led to countless injuries and dangerous situations for people at his shows, including fans and security. In 2015, he was arrested on charges of inciting a crowd to jump barriers at Lollapalooza, and in 2017, he was arrested for encouraging fans to breach barricades and overrun security at a Walmart music pavilion in 2021. On January 6th, he was accused of inciting a crowd to storm the Capitol building. Oh, wait. Sorry.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:12:55] I was like,

Cat Alvarado: [00:12:56] That was someone else.

Jonesy: [00:13:00] I'm just raging. I'm just raging.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:02] Raging. I'm just so excited about Donald Trump. I was just having fun and expressing good feelings.

Jonesy: [00:13:08] I'm just showing my political ism. It's raging. It's just, you know.

Cat Alvarado: [00:13:13] I just feel like climbing the walls of the Capitol. Okay. Anyways, the lack of precaution taken at Astroworld in 2021, especially with the doubled number of attendees from the festival in 2019 and incredible anticipation because of online show in 2020 is shocking.

Jonesy: [00:13:32] And now you think someone should have stopped the show as well. In fact, he was warned about the dangers by the Houston police chief before his set, the day of people had breached fences, rushed entrances and stormed security checkpoints. And only 4:54 p.m. Houston Police Department reported, quote, dangerous crowd conditions at stage two. And by 8:52, paradocs had already had 262 patient contacts. But still, Mr. Travis Scott was determined to do his set. Because he's an evil lizard person.

Speaker4: [00:14:10] Or a Robot. He could be a robot, too. You never know. Or a hybrid alien? You know, we're not sure. Speaking of Scott's set, many people connected it to Satanic signs, claiming the stage was in the shape of an inverted cross, and the arch set represented the gates to hell. Some even pointed out his shirt, which had figures walking through one door blue and out red again representing entering hell. While Scott hasn't publicized his beliefs, he believes in something in quotes. I guess it's good that he believes in something.

Jonesy: [00:14:38] Something?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:14:39] Yeah. We don't want him to believe in nothing. He also stated I am sorry. I aim to create a visual experience that pushes boundaries and sparks conversations. Religious symbolism allows me to explore complex themes, both light and dark, and invite listeners to engage in introspection. The hell does that mean? The amount of fatalities and Scott's openness to Satanism lead many to believe that the festival was, in fact, a blood ritual.

Jonesy: [00:15:05] Ha ha ha ha ha!

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:07] Hey, that's a that's a really good laugh, Jonesy.

Jonesy: [00:15:10] Thank you. Nothing but the blood. Ha ha.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:13] Ha. You should work at. You should work at those, uh. Those, like houses.

Jonesy: [00:15:16] The haunted mazes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:17] Yeah,

Jonesy: [00:15:17] Yeah, the haunted mazes. I could be a maze actor.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:21] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:15:21] Haunted actor.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:22] That's like your calling.

Jonesy: [00:15:23] I mean, I haven't. I've been struggling to get acting work. This could be. This could be my in.

Cat Alvarado: [00:15:29] You should work at new Universal Studios for haunted horror Nights.

Jonesy: [00:15:32] By the way. I was I was recently in one of those. And, uh, something happens in some of these mazes that can be very alarming that I didn't expect. In addition to the actors and all that there, there'll be these like bursts of air that'll hit you. They shoot air at you. Well, in one of these mazes, man, they hit me right in the butthole with a blast of air. And I don't know if this is on purpose.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:15:55] Did you like it?

Jonesy: [00:15:55] I don't know if it. But it was like. It was. It was pointing low. Obviously. Hit me right in the right in the butthole, and I.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:02] Did it make you feel special?

Jonesy: [00:16:04] Like jumped out of my clothes? Almost. It was, like, so shocking. I yeah. I did not expect that at all. All right, listen, it's time to put on our thinking caps. Our imagination caps were the deaths at Travis Scott's Astroworld festival a blood sacrifice? When we return, we'll settle this once and for all and figure out what really maybe happened.

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:31] Now that we've reviewed the evidence, let's give our theories. I'll go first.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:16:36] Okay,

Cat Alvarado: [00:16:36] First of all, I think Satanism and all, all like all these symbols of the devil and stuff in music culture is so hack. It's like the equivalent of of the joke structure where someone's like, and, um, every, every friend group has a slutty one. And if you don't have a slutty friend, you're the slutty friend. That to me is Satanism in music videos and shit. And if anyone's going to have a satanic sacrifice, it's definitely going to be that one guy. My God, what's his name? He's the gay guy. The gay country singer.

Jonesy: [00:17:11] The gay country singer.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:12] Old town road guy. What's his name?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:14] Uh, Lil. Nas.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:15] Lil nas. Okay, if anybody was going to do a blood sacrifice, it would be Lil NAS because he literally is like lap dancing on the devil or whatever.

Jonesy: [00:17:21] Oh he is. He did in the video.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:23] Yeah. It's a oh, it was so controversial. Everybody was very mad. So first off, I just want to say it's so common to have satanic shit. Kesha had it for a long time. If you play a bunch of songs backwards, it's like, I love the devil or whatever, and it doesn't mean anything. It's just to provoke, provoke people, provoke people,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:17:44] Provoke people. I like provoke people.

Cat Alvarado: [00:17:46] It's to provoke people. Duh. Well, you haven't heard the word provoke. So. Okay, so my real theory. No, it's not blood sacrifice. What I actually heard is it was more like greed. They were greedy. And so they didn't hire enough security people. They just didn't want to splurge on the extra people. I don't know if it was overtime or whatever, but they were cheap as hell. And as a result, all these people died because they just failed to bring adequate security.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:14] That's that sounds about right. I used to work in hip hop and back when hip hop was, you know, when people made music or made money in music still. And one of the things is, you know, like if somebody's got like $1 million music video, like contract, like to make a movie, music video, like 900,000 would go to like one, like a person's pocket and then the other 100,000 would be like, like to go make the music video. And, you know, that's kind of the same thing. It's just people are just trying to line their pockets and lower and lower gets until you get like people who, you know, probably shouldn't be the security people.

Jonesy: [00:18:45] But don't you guys realize that? What else was going on there? They were actually playing the fear frequency at his at his show. Which have you ever heard the fear frequency. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:18:55] The Noise Right? Like the. 

Jonesy: [00:18:57] 19. It's 19Hz. That's the fear frequency. And if you listen to that frequency, it'll make you trample your neighbor. You'll just start trampling people. Yeah, you'll just start killing people. Like. Just like what happened at the show.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:09] Wait, is that Is that real?

Jonesy: [00:19:11] You want to hear it?

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:11] Okay,

Jonesy: [00:19:12] Here it comes. I mean, you can if you can hear this.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:20] Can't hear anything.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:21] I can't hear anything.

Jonesy: [00:19:23] Can't hear that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:25] Is it making you scared right now?

Jonesy: [00:19:27] I'll tell you when I play it. You know what it does? Do it. It's a strange vibration of some sort. There's a strange something going on there that does make me a little, like, queasy. Like, it's just. I can see if you kept listening to that, you might get a little, like, sick to your stomach.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:42] So is that Your theory, Jonesy?

Jonesy: [00:19:44] No. I'm just that's. People claim that that was one thing that was happening at the show.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:19:48] What's your theory, though?

Jonesy: [00:19:49] Hold on, hold on. I have to play something to remove negative blocks. All right, that's better.

Cat Alvarado: [00:19:59] What did You play?

Jonesy: [00:20:00] I played the 396Hz frequency, which is for letting go of fear.

Jonesy: [00:20:06] It's good if you. If you listen to the fear frequency 19, you got to then listen to the 396. Is it the 396 to. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:20:16] Fix it? Duh.

Jonesy: [00:20:17] That's to let it go. Okay, so I've been fixed. Yeah, well I agree, I agree with Cat in that Travis himself is not a Satanist. I mean, if you want to find Satanism and satanic themes in music, you don't have to look far. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory. There are actually satanic bands out there, you know that that. And this is their whole marketing thing. This this whole thing. I'll name you some of these satanic bands in case some of the listeners are interested in, in, uh, stepping over to the dark side. But bands like venom, Mercyful Fate, Gorgoroth, whose founder considers himself to be Satan's minister on Earth. Now there's also band called morbid Angel. Now these bands, you know, when you want to talk about, uh, you know, symbolism at shows, you can just imagine what's going on over there. They're probably biting the heads off of bats on stage. You know, there's probably goat's blood in there. Who knows what's going on. But you don't have to look far to find satanic themes at these shows. His show was very mild, I would say, even looking at the imagery. No, my theory is that the mayor of Houston really is against autotune. Can't stand it. Big fan of Ludacris. Big fan of like, the, you know, the traditional rappers that we all grew up with and and like, I'm going to sabotage this show so that we have no more of these autotune people coming here to Houston and just polluting, polluting the the live music scene here with their autotune, you know, the the cheap technological cheat code that is going on here. And so therefore doesn't really put in too much security, you know, tells, hey, we'll send a few cops, but they'll have to go crazy, you know, I mean, how do you explain not having any police there? Hardly any or hardly any security. Now, I know you mentioned Koji that they like to be cheap, but that doesn't explain why the local police weren't really, uh, you know, on board. You know, maybe the venue might be cheap with that, but, like, you would have more police, right? You'd have way more police. You know, his kinds of shows are out of control. You would have had ten times the amount of cops.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:32] You still have to pay for the police, though. It's not like the police come on their own.

Jonesy: [00:22:35] Well, that doesn't work with my theory, sir. So we gotta. Details.

Cat Alvarado: [00:22:40] I mean, I don't know. I think your theory has more weight than my theory, because I just. I wanted to Google and just look at images of it. And I completely have done a 180. You guys, first of all,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:22:52] Let me ask one. Let me ask one question Jonesy first, then we'll come back to you. Which one's worse? Mumblecore rap or Auto-Tune rap?

Jonesy: [00:22:59] Oh, boy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:00] At least Auto-Tune sounds like a song. Mumbles. I'm like, I can't even. 

Jonesy: [00:23:04] Understand what they're saying. Yeah, that's for sure. That's for sure. The mumble stuff. I can't anybody do that. I mean, I got a I got a grandma with dementia that's probably cutting to some real mumble rap hits right now in her kitchen. Mumble rap?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:22] Sorry. Cat. Go ahead. You've done a 180?

Cat Alvarado: [00:23:24] I think I maybe did a 180. So, like, based on the description, I was just thinking like. Oh, yeah, it's like regular metal band, whatever, you know. Oh, yeah. Satanic symbology. But if you Google what the stage looked like, it did look like hell. It actually. It's like everything's on fire and there's, like, circles and circles. It's like a big fight. So, okay, maybe not unfounded because that's like a whole other level of satanic imagery that I wasn't even thinking of.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:23:52] And, and. His head is like people are walking into his head. Right? Or his mouth looks like.

Jonesy: [00:23:57] I watched a clip of a it looked like a Christian talk show that was commenting on this event today, and they went to like, you know, people aren't aware with the the power of demons in the world, you know, and and look at the imagery here. And they pointed out that and they compared that mouth thing to a what did he say it was. It's just like some, some demon is famous for, uh, the mouth is like the gateway to hell in this one particular demon imagery that apparently is well known in Christian circles if you're onto this kind of stuff. So they were saying that exact that's exactly that image is exactly what we're talking about. It's the god Marduk or whatever, that it's a gateway to hell. And they had all these, these Christian references to the imagery and stuff that on the stage, which was it was pretty, you know, I thought it was kind of funny.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:53] So Cat are you changing your answer then, or your

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:55] I mean

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:24:56] theory here.

Cat Alvarado: [00:24:57] I'm going to keep my theory, but I have my doubts about it because there was an article by like the the Houston mayor said that this concert actually had more security than the World Series. So I'm going to go ahead and undermine my own theory, because I remember having read that they didn't have enough security, and. 

Jonesy: [00:25:16] That's what I read.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:16] So maybe the mayor is lying to everyone. 

Jonesy: [00:25:19] That makes that backs up what I'm saying that mayor is trying to cover up the tracks, man. That mayor is like, what are you talking about? I had all hands on deck that night. I had all hands on deck. Wow.

Cat Alvarado: [00:25:29] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:25:30] Okay, so here's my theory. Okay, so. Well, first, let me just talk a little bit about all this Christian symbology and all that stuff. When I was young and I watched, like, exorcism or exorcist, I remember thinking like, this is not scary because I didn't believe in any of it. Because I don't come from a Judeo-Christian background. I never was around it. And so not like I didn't believe in any of the stuff that was happening. So it was like, not scary. So when I look at like all this stuff, I'm like, oh, okay, it looks like a cool stage show. So I'm going to say it wasn't a sacrifice, a blood sacrifice, but, you know, but I will say, what do you guys want to know what a real blood sacrifice is? It's wars. All the stupid wars we've ever had. Where we have, we have young men. Maybe in the future, young women as well, who are just. They run. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:26:15] Equality.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:15] Yeah. They run into machine guns and they just needlessly die. I remember I was me and my son were recently at the midway ship in San Diego, and we were watching the video about the Battle of Midway, and all these Japanese pilots that were just dying for no reason. And I know that I was supposed to be mad at the Japanese people, and a lot of the people in the audience were all mad at Japanese people, but all I could think was, it's a waste on both sides. This is a this is a blood sacrifice for both sides. It's so stupid. All these people died for no reason. At the end of the day, it didn't mean anything. And there, you know, I'd rather have them alive, to be honest with you. So I think war is that blood sacrifice that that our government does not. Not a stupid concert where, you know,

Jonesy: [00:26:53] Where like only eight.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:26:54] Yeah. I mean.

Jonesy: [00:26:56] I mean. If you're really going to do it, right, you had you had 50,000 people there that it was just eight. That's a half. That's a half ass blood sacrifice. Then if you're doing it. I mean. Where did he.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:05] True.

Jonesy: [00:27:06] Where did this guy learn his. Where did where did he learn his blood sacrifice? You know, the Mayans would do 200 in a day, you know, and the Mayans were doing it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:13] That is true. People do not talk about that enough. Apparently the Aztecs like 10,000 a month or something. Crazy amount of sacrifice.

Jonesy: [00:27:20] They did a lot of that. A lot of that was going on down there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:24] For example, the Battle of Stalingrad. I mean, we had like there there was like 1.1, 1.2 people, million people that died in that battle. One battle.

Cat Alvarado: [00:27:32] One battle.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:27:33] 1.2 million people. I mean, it's it's hard to kind of know because it's hard to think about because that's like as many people that died in the World War two, four Americans as a whole. Right. But in one battle in fucking Russia or Soviet Union at the time, 1.2 million people died. You know, like that to me, is like, if we want to like if we want to give blood to Satan, that's the fucking battle. 1.2 million.

Jonesy: [00:27:57] Yeah, that's that's ultimate, right. That's that's ultimate or the Holocaust or the Holocaust.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:28:02] But that was more than one battle and that was longer too that was like 6 million, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:28:05] Yeah. Over years. 1.5 million in 1 battle. Good god.

Jonesy: [00:28:09] I recently listened to this YouTube video that was the diary of Like a Priest during the what was it? What is it called when they went or the during the conquistadors when they were in, when they went to, they went to Mexico. The the priests, some of these people, they kept journals of what they what they were seeing when they first, you know, were witnessing these, you know, these Aztecs. And I was taken by this one particular part where the priest was describing how they were sacrificing people and they were doing it in front of the conquistadors, too, because it was just totally normal for them to just, you know, cut someone open, pull out their beating heart. They were just just daily. And the priest mentioned that even the conquistadors were like, yo yo, yo yo, hey, hey, easy. What are you what are you doing? Like, could you guys just calm down with this, you know? Meanwhile, the conquistadors, like, destroyed everybody. You know, they took over. They killed so many. But when they saw the human sacrifice, even they were like, whoa, bro, what are you doing? This is. This is out of line. Crazy.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:11] Oh, wait, but what was your theory, though, about Astroworld? Koji?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:14] No. So my theory was it wasn't a blood sacrifice, but that the real blood sacrifices are a war.

Cat Alvarado: [00:29:18] Okay,

Jonesy: [00:29:19] So what was your theory about Astro? It was just another. It's just a. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:22] It was just a tragedy.

Jonesy: [00:29:23] It's like, uh, you heard about the, uh, the Diddyone at City College. The Diddy, very, very famous hip hop concert that Diddy organized in 1991 or whatever, where, um, and like, ten people died in, like, being being trapped in a stairwell, just crushed against the door. Like horrible, horrible at this college because Diddy Diddy oversold it. You know, the place can only seat so many people. But Diddy was like making all this money and just ignored it and just oversold the bill. And and he was only like 22 at that time or something. Very young guy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:53] That's when he was at uh was it Howard? I think he was at Howard.

Jonesy: [00:29:57] Yeah, he was at. He was at the college, I believe. Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:29:59] Yeah. And he was, uh, he was doing, uh, he was an intern at with, uh, Harrell right there.

Jonesy: [00:30:06] So. Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:07] Crazy story.

Jonesy: [00:30:08] Yeah. That was the first time Diddy was in trouble with the. It wouldn't be his last.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:12] We're not going to. Go down this rabbit hole. But after all the stuff with the stuff that's come out, I mean, now a lot of people are talking about the Pac thing is different. The biggie stuff is different. All of that is like everything's everything's all up for grabs because he was a he was a very interesting dude.

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:28] Mhm. Interesting okay. So at this point in the show it's time for us to pick the unofficial official story, one that will answer the question once and for all. So which theory do we want to go with today?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:42] I like the mayor one.

Jonesy: [00:30:43] You like the mayor one huh?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:44] I like the mayor one. I like the auto tune. I think that it's hilarious.

Jonesy: [00:30:47] I mean, it's a funny. It's a funny theory. Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:30:50] Cat, who do you want? Which one do you want to vote for?

Cat Alvarado: [00:30:52] Um, I think it was the mayor. One with one caveat. I think the mayor did think that Travis Scott was satanic, and that's why he sabotaged him.

Jonesy: [00:31:00] You know, I should probably learn the mayor of Houston's name. Mayor of Houston in 2021. Oh, Sylvester, are you guys familiar with Sylvester? We call him Sly around here. Sylvester Turner,

Cat Alvarado: [00:31:17] Knowing how people vote, I bet they thought they were voting for Sylvester Stallone.

Jonesy: [00:31:21] He's an American attorney, politician, was the 62nd mayor of Houston, Texas, a member of the Democratic Party, and someone who was very anti autotune his entire life. It says it right there.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:35] Link in our show notes.

Jonesy: [00:31:38] He's 70 years old, guys. He's a traditionalist. He's a purist. He likes his hip hop pure and traditional.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:44] He liked the 90s gangsta rap, but he doesn't know what happened since then.

Jonesy: [00:31:47] Yeah, he's he's always sly. Sly is always talking about that. You know, Sly's always. He's like, I don't know what happened. Remember the good old days of gangsta rap?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:31:58] Cat, so you're. So you're voting for Jonesy. So, I mean, it's already two zero. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:02] I'm voting for Jonesy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:02] But, Jonesy, do you want. Do you want to vote for yours or you.

Jonesy: [00:32:04] Yeah, I want to vote. I guess I'll vote for mine, too. We'll do a slam dunk. What do I win if it's a if it's three, nothing. How do I get some special.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:10] It's the official. It's the official unofficial story, right? It's the you've I mean, you could change Wikipedia. You could cite this episode and change Wikipedia.

Jonesy: [00:32:20] Can you say all that you just said in Auto-Tune for me? I thought that would be. You are the winner. That was my impression of Auto-Tune without having any technology.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:34] It was almost like Auto-Tune.

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:35] You mean you didn't have Auto-Tune? That's amazing. Okay.

Jonesy: [00:32:38] I thought I. Thought I was gonna. I thought I would win a free a trip to the Cheng Chung Bon Festival. No, I'm not getting that.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:44] Every time you say that, it sounds racist, though. It sounds like a.

Jonesy: [00:32:48] Ching Chung bun festival.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:50] It sounds like you're making fun of Asian language.

Jonesy: [00:32:53] No,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:32:53] It's like ching chong. Ching chong?

Jonesy: [00:32:55] No, no, it's the. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:32:56] Ching ching chong festival.

Jonesy: [00:32:58] No, it's not that. It's the ching chong festival. Come on, man.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:05] No, but you will get a happy ending massage from Koji's wife.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:09] Or Koji's Hands. Either way.

Jonesy: [00:33:12] Koji's soft rider hands.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:13] Yes.

Cat Alvarado: [00:33:15] All right, well, you guys, that is the official story. We'll take another break, and when we return, we'll be trying to figure out which celebrities really are Satanists.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:28] If you had to. Confidently, confidently. By the way, I just accused but confidently accuse one famous person of being a Satanist. Who would it be?

Jonesy: [00:33:37] That's easy. It's Paul Rudd.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:33:39] Paul Rudd. Why? Oh, because he never ages. Is that what it is?

Jonesy: [00:33:44] Because he don't age. Look at him. Look at his.

Jonesy: [00:33:46] Skin. How is that? This guy's. This guy's a Satanist. This guy's doing something there. He's bathing in the blood of virgins or something. Yeah, that guy's not. Not okay. I'm so sorry. One more thing. He's also a Satanist for doing so many rom com movies. I mean, that's just brutal to do to the culture. Why would you give us all these rom com movies? Man, that's just torturous.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:08] Gross. Don't tell us we should love people or that we're capable of it.

Jonesy: [00:34:13] Ew. Rom coms.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:14] Eww

Jonesy: [00:34:16] Gross.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:16] My my theory. I think it's Joe Rogan. I think Joe Rogan is a Satanist. Uh, because he just he has so much money and so much success from just being like, I don't know, I just want to ask some questions. I don't know anything about anything. I'm just a guy. I'm just a guy asking questions. And somehow now he's like a 100 millionaire.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:37] Yeah.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:37] That's insane.

Jonesy: [00:34:38] I thought you were going to say he's a Satanist because his face is red.

Cat Alvarado: [00:34:41] No. Also, he's a Satanist because his comedy is trash. And yet somehow, that's what made him famous. He was like, hey, let me write down every hacky joke I've ever heard anyone do on the road, and now I'm going to do it as my own. Oh, God.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:34:56] Oh you Comedian. So I have two. The first one is, uh, Robert Johnson, the blues singer. Season one, episode nine. I mean, that's a classic. Like, he he sold his. I mean, the story is that he was an average guitarist. And then he went on this trip. He went to this, uh, crossroads. He met the devil, made a deal with the devil that he'll be the greatest guitarist in the world. But he's going to die at 27. Comes back totally different changes. Music forever. I mean, hip hop, rock, everything is from him, right? And so that's the classic one. But that's that's an easy one. Then I was thinking about Taylor Swift because I don't know why people online love to think Taylor Swift is demonic. Like they think that her gestures or something. And. 

Jonesy: [00:35:36] Really,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:35:36] They're just angry that she has opinions. And she spoke out against the orange guy. Um, but. So I'm actually the Satanist, I'm going to say is actually Donald Trump. And not just because I hate him, but this guy has supernatural powers. I mean, for a guy who's so unintelligent, he has this incredible, almost gift of being able to turn anything in his favor. Like, he has this incredible ability to, like, take something and figure out how to, like, make people like him, you know, like. Oh,

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:11] Yeah.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:36:12] Like, I'm going to grab a woman by her pussy. I could grab a woman by her pussy. Is like, somehow that became like, oh, he's just telling it like it is. You're like, no, that's fucking sexual assault, you know? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, or he talks about, you know, being a man. He's in an obese man who eats McDonald's every day, you know, like all these things. It's just like, I don't know, like, he talks about being so rich. He's not even, you know, like, I mean, he's rich, obviously, but he's not like Jeff Bezos rich or Elon Musk rich or any of these guys, you know, like, so everything he does, he just has this knack of being able to PR knack and that that has to be from a higher being or a lower being. And to me, that's that's Satan. That's a power of Satan right there to turn anything into something positive. And, you know, and now he's going to destroy our country. There you go. That's that's Satan to me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:36:58] I vote, I Vote for yours. Are we voting.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:01] Correct? I'm voting for this.

Jonesy: [00:37:03] I think the voting part is over. Oh, I found I found the article. It's the video of Taylor Swift flashing. Flashing. A satanic gesture has gone viral.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:13] Yeah,

Jonesy: [00:37:14] But it's just. It's just like this. With two thumbs up. No no. No no. It's a video of it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:37:21] They say that she did 2 to 3 different demonic rituals or. And satanic. Rituals.

Jonesy: [00:37:26] She does do this. She does do the, the rocker horns. But like a lot of a lot of performers do the, you know, do the rocker horns with your hands, you know. What do they call those? The rock out. The rock out. Symbol.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:38] They are Devil horns. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:37:40] They are devil horns. Right. But a lot of a lot of a lot of performers do that.

Cat Alvarado: [00:37:44] But also what if she just went to Arizona State University, the Sun Devils? I mean, that's what We. Go. Sun Devils.

Jonesy: [00:37:54] It's funny. Yeah. No, it's it's funny with the people with these these Satan conspiracies. No one's walking around saying the new Jersey Devils hockey team or Devils, right?

Cat Alvarado: [00:38:05] No, they Just say the entire state of new Jersey is satanic.

Jonesy: [00:38:08] It's funny. It's like they the they want to be able to go deeper because they want to get one up on you. Like if they get if they find evidence of satanic shit in a more obscure places, it's a way for them to like kind of pat themselves on the back, like, look what? Look how bright I am. Like, I gave I gave you evidence of plenty of live bands. You could go to their show and they're doing satanic shit right in front of your face, but that's not good enough for them. They have to be like, no, no, I went to a rap concert or I went to a, you know, I went to Alanis Morissette and there was devil stuff there. If you look closely because I'm no, I'm in the know. If you look closely, there's some she's doing, she's making some symbols with her hands.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:38:49] And she's also misusing the word ironic, which is that's pure devil shit right There. No, that's because. None of that stuff was actually ironic. None of the things she said, you know, like having spoons instead of a fork or whatever, or raining on a wedding day. That's not that's not irony. That's just bad luck. Right? So,

Jonesy: [00:39:04] Yeah. I agree with you. She's not using that. Right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:06] Yeah. So that's a devil. That's devil.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:08] There is a, There are pictures of Taylor Swift, where she looks a lot like Zeena LaVey of Anton lavey,

Jonesy: [00:39:15] The daughter of Anton LaVey.

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:17] Yes.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:18] Who's that?

Jonesy: [00:39:18] He said he was the famous Satanist from the 1960s. He wrote. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:23] The father of modern day Satanism.

Jonesy: [00:39:26] The. The best seller was called The Satanic Verses or something like that. That was in like the 70s. And then his daughter was in it was into it.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:33] I mean, I'm not To be contrary. A contrast. A contrarian. Sorry, but could this be just good people? I mean, I've seen some Christian people that are not good people, you know? So not all Christians, obviously, but. 

Jonesy: [00:39:47] You. Know about the Church of Satan, right?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:39:49] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know like the witchcraft folks are like all earthy people. They're not like trying to. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:39:54] Well. The witchcraft whole, like, spiritual world is full of it's it's full of cults, though. Like, there's tons of, like, mini cults within that. So you got to be careful. But I think what Jonesy might be about to say I'm going to get ahead of you is like, if you're familiar with the Church of Satan. It's not that they actually the Satanic. They don't actually worship Satan. They're humanists. And so they're more about just like you explain it. They're it's about like still about being like a good person and just like being true to whatever you feel. And. 

Jonesy: [00:40:23] I'm trying to find their tenants because they're like, amazing. Hold on, hold on. It's in here somewhere. The Satanic temple, we're.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:29] Almost all amazing except for the part with the child sacrifice. Um.

Jonesy: [00:40:33] Yeah, that part is.

Cat Alvarado: [00:40:35] Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:40:36] Yeah, that part is a little, uh. So the one, um, so there's a one of them is a in a city that I used to live in, and I used to see it there. They had their little it was actually a converted church, originally the Satanic temple in Salem, mass. And the community was always, like, giving them a hard time. But they're not like they just because people are ignorant and they just think that like they're doing devil things in there, whereas they're actually all about community. They're helping, you know, they're super into helping community they have.

Cat Alvarado: [00:41:07] It's more about saying, f you to a lot of the hypocrisy in the real, in the Christian church than it is about worshipping Satan. They're kind of like being ironic and calling out hip, like a lot of hypocritical elements, but go for it. Read our tenets. I mean, read the tenets. I feel like I just accidentally called myself one.

Jonesy: [00:41:28] These are. Okay. These are the seven fundamental tenets from the Satanic Temple. One. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. Two. The struggle for justice is ongoing and necessary, and a necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. Three. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. Number four. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend, to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego one's own five beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. Six. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. And seven. Every tenant is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility and action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. There we go.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:36] There's also a few more. The 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth, and some that stood out to me were do not give opinions or advice unless you're asked.

Jonesy: [00:42:46] Oh, I like that one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:48] Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

Jonesy: [00:42:53] What's the mating Signal?

Cat Alvarado: [00:42:54] I don't know.

Jonesy: [00:42:57] What's that? The finger through the hole. I was going to say if the previous one when you said don't, don't give opinions unless asked. If everybody followed that, the podcast industry would crumble. Social media would be done, would be done, would be done.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:18] It'd be completely dead.

Jonesy: [00:43:19] Are there more?

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:20] Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

Jonesy: [00:43:24] Wow. So never. Never.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:29] Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained. That's the only magically one.

Jonesy: [00:43:43] Like a magic eraser. Like what kind of magic are they talking about?

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:46] You know, if you do do some kind of magical thing, you have to be like, hey, yeah, no, I did make a deal with the devil. You can't just keep it to yourself, okay?

Jonesy: [00:43:54] Got it, got it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:54] Which actually is a good one.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:43:56] So, like when Robert Johnson made a deal with the devil, he.

Cat Alvarado: [00:43:57] Yeah. Which is why if someone like Taylor Swift has continued success, but she's not going around saying she made a deal with the devil. And she probably didn't make a deal with the devil, or she would lose her success because she's not saying it. Interesting. Do not complain about anything to which you need to not subject yourself. Interesting. Do not harm little children. Uh, do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food. I like that, and when walking in open territory bothered no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Jonesy: [00:44:33] Wow.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:36] That's like New York. That's like New York City.

Cat Alvarado: [00:44:38] Okay. One more, one more. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat it. Treat him cruelly and without mercy.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:44:47] I'm going to put that. On my wall in my Office.

Jonesy: [00:44:49] The Satanic Temple is all about, you know, helping people and community. And they have that tenant about one's body is one's own. And so as a result of these beliefs, they've even like they don't just say it, they do it. They they established EST Health, the first ever religious abortion clinic network. Isn't that wild. They will. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:08] Oh, wow.

Jonesy: [00:45:09] They will launch in New Mexico on February 14th. Oh, they launched in February of 2023. They provide virtual virtual appointments and guidance for those who wish to participate in the TSTs  satanic abortion ritual in states where abortion has been banned because they made abortion a ritual. So you can have it in the state. It's like it's like in same state.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:30] They're getting around it through the First Amendment. Oh,

Jonesy: [00:45:32] Yes. See, they're trying to this is them trying to like do good in the world, you know, and and raise their finger against.

Cat Alvarado: [00:45:39] Which. Goes back to the whole point of the Satanic church, which is it's really all about just saying a middle finger to a lot of people who use religion to hurt others and to exclude people and control them, which is not what it's really about.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:45:53] Well, and the irony of everything that we just said, I mean, if you read Jesus's words and his testimony, These are the things he would have believed.

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:01] Yeah,

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:01] Right. These are the things that he. To help. To help people who are in need like that. Like he like when they. When he asked him about how, like, a rich person asked him how to how he could go to heaven, they said, give away all your money, right? He don't throw the first stone like all the things. Like helping everybody, helping the poor, helping the people that were, you know, the immigrants, helping everybody. That was like what he believed. He wanted to help,

Cat Alvarado: [00:46:22] Not harm little children. He said to help children.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:46:25] Yeah. And he and he said, I mean, it wasn't it wasn't about like, I'm better than you or you're going to heaven and you're not going to heaven. It wasn't about like, you know, you have to think this certain way. Right. That was never any of the things that he talked about. That's why, like the Jesus, when I've read the Bible or when I read his, like, like, you know, historic texts about like, I'm like, yeah, that sounds like a cool Jesus. And then you, then you listen to like, some, some of these, uh, some of these Christians in our country, and you just think like, what are you talking about, man? You're not even the kind of person I want to be, you know, like. And Jesus wouldn't even recognize you if you came back. You you fucking kill him because he's probably an immigrant. 

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:01] And you'd assume that he was a Satanist and you'd be like, wow, your beliefs are really aligned with the Satanic Temple. Actually.

Jonesy: [00:47:08] I mean, that's. Really the true definition of irony.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:10] Mhm.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:47:11] Yeah. I mean, why isn't Alanis Morissette singing that?

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:13] Someone tell her. 

Jonesy: [00:47:14] They have A, they have a cool gift shop here on the satanic Temple. The Satanic Temple website.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:21] This turned into a commercial for Satanism. Oh my. God.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:24] Yeah. You can donate that. They're a they're a non-profit 501C3 non-profit organization. This is great.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:32] Oh, hey. Their website has the nine satanic sins. Do we want to know what they are?

Jonesy: [00:47:37] What's a what's a sin? Controlling a woman's body. That's a sin.

Cat Alvarado: [00:47:42] Probably stupidity. Um, apparently it's one of the cardinal sins of Satanism. Uh, it depends on people going along with whatever they're told. The media cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable, but laudable. Laudable.  Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid. Pretentiousness is another one. Solipsism, which means projecting your reactions, responses, and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. Okay, I'm too stupid to understand that one. Um. Self-deceit. Herd conformity, lack of perspective. Forgetfulness of past orthodoxies. Which is against brainwashing. Counterproductive pride. Pride is great. Up to the point where you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is if it works for you, great when it stops working for you. When you've painted yourself into a corner. The only way out is to say, I'm sorry I made a mistake. I wish we could compromise. Then do it. And finally, lack of aesthetics. This is the physical application of the balance factor. Aesthetic is important in lesser magic and should be cultivated. So basically you need to be hot. At least if you have aesthetics then you still have the option of being Satanist. If you're not hot, then there's no home for you.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:49:15] Oh shit.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:18] This is a fun episode.

Jonesy: [00:49:21] It's a weird episode. I like it.

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:22] It is. Thank you, Jonesy, for coming on with us. And thank you all so much for listening. There are almost 3 million podcasts, and we're honored you've chosen ours to listen to. Please check out our website, unofficial official Story.com for our show notes or to hear our past episodes. Please follow us on Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Wait. I also have to say I am obligated by my Christian nature to tell you, please don't be a Satanist, okay? Please accept their Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior. Okay, I just had to do it just real fast.

Jonesy: [00:49:57] If you could cut that out,

Cat Alvarado: [00:49:59] You could cut that out. But also, I don't want to go to hell. I had to say it.

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Cat Alvarado: [00:50:56] Please join us next month where we're asking the question, Did Stephen King murder John Lennon?

Jonesy: [00:51:02] I never heard of this. What is that?

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:04] What?

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:04] What?

Jonesy: [00:51:05] He did it for the material. He did it for the material.

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:07] What?

Jonesy: [00:51:08] I mean, what? Come on. This is a theory. I've never heard of this one.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:12] I've never heard it. That's wild. 

Koji Steven Sakai: [00:51:13] This is a theory. Yeah. This is a real theory,

Jonesy: [00:51:15] Man. Stephen King murdered John Lennon. No, he murdered my cat and buried it in a cemetery. That's for sure. Come on. People really think Stephen King. Oh, man, that's so funny. Didn't they catch the guy? They caught the guy who killed John Lennon. They caught him, right? David, something. I thought they caught him.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:32] It was David Spade. Yeah.

Jonesy: [00:51:35] David spade. Oh, I didn't know David Spade. Wow. Okay, okay. Good, good.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:43] I don't know what I'm doing.

Jonesy: [00:51:44] Thank you for having me.

Cat Alvarado: [00:51:46] Thanks for coming on. Bye, everybody.